TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Those people at US, AA and UA had clear cut procedures, DL doesn't.

Go ask Kevin, those effected can't even go to ATL or go where they want.

 
The net result is still a loss of jobs, except that not all were at CLE, STL and PIT but instead spread out over whatever locations the senior employees went to. 
 
On top of that there are the costs and stress of either relocating, commuting and/or both.
 
For me, the ultimate would be the total compensation package, mainly $$$ and less so the specific (and oftern arcane) work rules spelled out in the CBA.
 
Apparently the details, work rules, membership dues,  etc. of a CBA are also not important enough for the groups of employees such as the DL FA and ramp and mechanics that still refuse to unionize.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

One other negative of airline industry unions, at least for me, is the fact that none were able to do anything about the cuts / concessions after 9/11.  I'm pretty sure that you'll say that in bankruptcy you were powerless, but I don't quite buy it.  If I understand the process correctly, even if the judge sides with the company and imposes a new CBA, you (unions) have the right to strike.  Well, not only did the unions not strike, it seems to me that all were racing in negotiating the concessiosns that preserve the most union dues instead of the best compensation for thier members.

 

[700UW]

Wrong!

Unions do not have the right to strike upon a CBA abrogation. Look up NW vs AFA.

The court ruled they can't.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

But I thought that in the AFA vs Northwest case, the reason that the FAs were no allowed to strike was because the union messed up and did not follow the procedures in the RLA?
Therefore, the court ruled in NW's favor and did not allow the strike (although I don't consider CHAOS a classic "strike" anyways, but that's just me.)

BTW - since I'm not a JD holder, if I'm not understanding the case correctly, please correct me.

 

[700UW]

The first court ruled they could strike appeals court said no.
 
And when our CBA at US was abrogated per the RLA we couldnt strike as Bankruptcy Law supersedes the RLA, Section 1167 of the RLA only allows Railroads to strike upon an abrogation.
 
I lived it, I was on the NC when US M&R when our CBA was abrogated.

 

[700UW]

Fleet Service Committee Update, February 12, 2016:
The TWU-IAM Fleet Service Negotiating Committee met this week in Baltimore, MD and continued joint contract negotiations with American Airlines. While the company publicly assures us that its making every effort to move these negotiations forward, the reality is that American Airlines continues to employ some of the oldest tactics in the book to frustrate our negotiating committee.
 
Rest assured that despite the company’s claims of scheduling conflicts and attempts to propose concessions despite soaring profits, we remain committed to fighting for the best deal for Association members. We’re here, ready to work on your behalf, and we won’t settle for anything but the contract you deserve.
 
This week at the bargaining table, we tentatively agreed to provisions regarding bulletin boards and fitness for duty language, and exchanged proposals on grievance procedures and uniforms. We are still awaiting American’s response to our representation proposal.
 
Our next bargaining session is scheduled for the week of February 29th, after which we will provide another update on our progress. As always, we appreciate your continued support and patience as we navigate this complicated negotiation process.
In solidarity,
Mechanic & Related/Stores Committee Update, February 12, 2016:
 
The Mechanic & Related/Stores committee met with American Airlines the week of February 8th in Baltimore, Maryland.
 
As we continue to progress steadily toward a joint collective bargaining agreement, we remain firmly committed to one goal: negotiating the strongest deal for our members.  We are working tirelessly to ensure that the best of both contracts are combined into one comprehensive agreement.
 
• We tentatively agreed on the following articles: fitness for duty, uniforms and bulletin boards. We will continue to exchange proposals with the company on these matters.
 
• We have exchanged proposals on articles for certain grievance procedures, and made our initial proposal regarding overall representation, which encompasses other grievance procedures and system board of adjustment. Both these articles are particularly complex, and because we are blending two existing, mature practices, it takes time. These articles are the foundation of our ability to enforce your rights under the agreement, so we are working through all articles with extreme diligence and care.
 
We are scheduled to continue negotiations during the following weeks: February 29th in DFW, March 7th in DCA, March 21st in DFW and March 28th in DFW.
 
We appreciate your continued patience and solidarity throughout this process, and will continue to provide updates after each session.
In solidarity,


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[AANOTOK]

Hey 700, what's the purpose of the red highlight?
 
If they haven't gotten into the meat of the items, what is the concessions, having to wear the shirt tail in as opposed to out.
This Association was a joke from the beginning, is a joke now, and will be a joke in the future.
 
My understanding from someone pretty reliable is the company is willing to meet anytime, anywhere. They want it done.
The Ass cannot get their own house in order therefore they are being ridiculous and dragging out the uniform and grievance procedures. In other words, they are hurting the members just as predicted by many of us because the IAM and TWU cannot see eye to eye.
 
Surprise!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey 700, what's the purpose of the red highlight?
 
If they haven't gotten into the meat of the items, what is the concessions, having to wear the shirt tail in as opposed to out.
This Association was a joke from the beginning, is a joke now, and will be a joke in the future.
 
My understanding from someone pretty reliable is the company is willing to meet anytime, anywhere. They want it done.
The Ass cannot get their own house in order therefore they are being ridiculous and dragging out the uniform and grievance procedures. In other words, they are hurting the members just as predicted by many of us because the IAM and TWU cannot see eye to eye.
 
Surprise!!!

So you believe while they submit proposals back and forth the two sides don't talk about other things that haven't officially come up?

You trust Parker and his roadshows more than your own people?

Is he trying to "abscond" with our match?

Did he give us that 4%?

Have we gotten any revenue gain sharing, profit sharing or bonus?

Is the company trying to give what it holds in the "disputed claims reserve" fund over to the former unsecured AAMRQ holders and not the Unions?

Am I missing anything?

 

[dfw gen]

Sounds like the negotiating committee needs help in negotiations.....

 

[ASSociation Clown]

 
 
My understanding from someone pretty reliable is the company is willing to meet anytime, anywhere. 

 
I enjoy the fact that I can go through life without knowing anyone who can be considered reliable from management.  

 

[AANOTOK]

So you believe while they submit proposals back and forth the two sides don't talk about other things that haven't officially come up?
Don't know, they won't say. But they have complained in the past AA has sat down with zero proposals and they haven't updated that.

You trust Parker and his roadshows more than your own people?
I trust neither. I have received nothing from either one but lies and delays.

Is he trying to "abscond" with our match?
Not an Association matter

Did he give us that 4%?
Nope and what did the Ass do to fight for that 4% other than send out an apologetic letter begging for it.

Have we gotten any revenue gain sharing, profit sharing or bonus?
Nope, and neither has anyone else in the company...The Ass got out of that one easily.

Is the company trying to give what it holds in the "disputed claims reserve" fund over to the former unsecured AAMRQ holders and not the Unions?
Not an Association matter

Am I missing anything?
Yes, the vote we were promised on representation. Don't worry though, we all missed it.

But hey W, if we can hold out for a couple of years, my God, think how big our raise could actually grow to. Why settle for $29.00 when we could get $35 in 2018. Right???

 

[AANOTOK]

 
I enjoy the fact that I can go through life without knowing anyone who can be considered reliable from management.  

They are not all bad, clown. But, who knows!

 

[Rogallo]

Sounds like the negotiating committee needs help in negotiations.....

 
You mean, like, professionals?
 
This is how I picture 'em. Git-r-done! 
http://www.twu567.org/uploadpages/emailofficers/larry.html

 

[Buster CRC]

4 weeks of negotiations....but we got them bulletins boards figured out finally.

 

[DallasConehead]

well.. lets not forget the all important uniforms.. meanwhile DL pays out 1.5B in profit sharing.

The hosing continues over here while our reps eat nice lunches and dinners on our dime.