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Yeah, I've heard that one before. We will see sometime this summer hopefully.WeAAsles said:
TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?
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Well let's see now. I believe they (the TWU members AND the IAM members) were promised a vote would be done for the association being combined between the TWU and IAM, I also believe it was YOU who also said many, many times thru-out these forums that they would have a vote and "they did not get a vote". Not sure about the IAM but the TWU members have experiences in the past where their votes for contracts were overridden by the international, and was enforced by the international. So their hesitation on being allowed to vote on something is VERY valid just by past experiences. I can't believe that you would even think about posting that question, C'mon man...700UW said:
Yes he did, many, many times. Matter fact he and I went head to head on this very issue and to this day he has not ever responded to my questions of WHY the members were not allowed to vote on this association coming into their lives as it was forced upon them without ANY input what-so-ever...Rogallo said:
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The NMB (National Mediation Board) was the one who made the determination that a vote was not "needed" since the IAM and TWU, IAM/TWU Association already represented nearly 100% of the members at the combined AA prior to the merger. The window by law was given for an intervenor to come forward to have a vote on being represented by an alternative Union and none came forth with the required showing of interest.Rogallo said:
"Needing" and "Wanting" are two separate issues. Many on this Forums site and others "wanted" a vote but they didn't put in the work to make sure that would happen and there was more than enough time to make that happen if the will had been great enough by the majority of any Class and Craft. How many months did it take for the NMB to make their determination after it was publicized that the IAM and TWU were entering into a partnership?
You have to be honest and say that this is now a moot and dead issue.
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I don't recall any public statements by the IAM that there would be a vote for the Association. As a matter of fact if anyone had bothered to read the filing that the IAM submitted to the NMB, it was plain as day that they believed there did not have to be a vote on the Association since both Unions already represented the huge majority of the Class and Crafts.swamt said:
But yes those in leadership roles in the TWU did believe that a vote was going to be needed. Sometimes "people" can be wrong.
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No. Some individual leaders within the TWU believed that the NMB would rule that a vote was needed. Since it was the IAM/TWU Association who filed to represent the groups, the only choices on that ballot if it had been ruled one was needed, would have been:AANOTOK said:
IAM/TWU Association
No Union
Write in option
There would not have been a separate check box for the IAM and TWU as individual entities for representation.
And that's a fact.
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The NMB did not prevent the members from voting on the Association before it was filed with them for determination that they would become our representatives as a united entity for bargaining purposes. That was decided by the leaders of both Unions at the time the agreement was signed.AANOTOK said:
On a personal note. I'm not going to care in the slightest what's stenciled on the door if in the next few months I'm pushing almost $65,000 in BASE wages and close to another $20,000 in benefits. And I'm also 100% positive that not many other people we work with are going to care either.
