SWA now getting involved with slot (s) possibilities

[700UW]

Well it seems AA and WN can make it work, but the world domination desired airlines Delta couldnt and ran away from DFW.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you can't seem to grasp that DL closed its HUB at DFW but they remained the 2nd largest airline in the local market. DL took their planes and went to NYC where they dethroned AA's position in its former headquarters and a market where AA had an advantage for years. HAD

DL and WN don't compete directly in any markets from N. Texas.

 

[eolesen]

There's that qualifier again.... directly....

By that "let's split the hair six ways" definition, then I guess WN doesn't compete with AA in North Texas, or with UA in Houston, or with either AA or UA in Chicago.

And DL clearly doesn't have serious competition with UA in New York...

 

[eolesen]

The lies about the DL DFW hub are getting a bit thick.

Here's the actual breakdown of DL's ops at DFW in April 2003:

Mainline: 59 departures
Regional: 205 departures

20 of their mainline flights went to ATL, SLC, or CVG. The remaining 40 were split across 16 markets, most operated 2 or 3 times a day with the exception of LAS and LAX, which were at 4x daily.

The drawdown that occurred in January 2005 was when they killed off the regional operation, and got rid of the other 40 point to point flights.

So... anyone who is claiming that there was a viable hub in 2003 or 2004 is clearly deluded. Likewise on the claims of maintaining the local market share. They kept their share on their hub routes, but the remaining flights were probably contributing very little to the local share, which is why they killed it off in the first place.

 

[WorldTraveler]

bingo... why do you think they pulled down the rest of the hub but because those regional markets weren't contributing anything to the market share and weren't covering their costs?

As I said originally, DL's pulldown of the hub began several years before they filed for BK and the hub was finished by Feb 2005.

Thanks for confirming what I said, E. I love it when the data from even two sources says the same thing.

WN doesn't fly nonstop from N. Texas to any destinations outside of the WA including modifications. WN DOES fly from HOU to points all over the US, competing with UA at IAH.

DL and UA do maintain competing global hubs at LGA/JFK vs EWR.

 

[eolesen]

Must. Split. Hairs.

 

[robbedagain]

once that wright amendment ends   wn will be fiercely competing against aa in north tx  and ua in houston  plus chicago ny and all over....

 

[WorldTraveler]

that's exactly what I've said all along, robbed.

The change in the WA restrictions plus the addition of service to Latin America and the Caribbean will have an enormous impact on Texas aviation. Given that IAH and DFW are considered some of the most profitable hubs, the implications of the increased competition will move rapidly thru the industry.

 

[WNMECH]

bingo... why do you think they pulled down the rest of the hub but because those regional markets weren't contributing anything to the market share and weren't covering their costs?

As I said originally, DL's pulldown of the hub began several years before they filed for BK and the hub was finished by Feb 2005.

Thanks for confirming what I said, E. I love it when the data from even two sources says the same thing.

WN doesn't fly nonstop from N. Texas to any destinations outside of the WA including modifications. WN DOES fly from HOU to points all over the US, competing with UA at IAH.

DL and UA do maintain competing global hubs at LGA/JFK vs EWR.

 
 
Delta down from 254 (or 256 depending on the article) to 21 flights a day.
 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dfw-international-airport-works-closely-with-delta-air-lines-on-restructuring-71934192.html
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-09-08-delta-plan_x.htm
 
Company CEO Gerald Grinstein said Delta will no longer use the Dallas-Fort Worth airport as one of its four hubs as of 2005.
 
http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=161415&c=8
 
A speech by Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein titled:
The Delta Solution: The Right Airline of the New Era / Remarks by Jerry Grinstein - CEO / September 8, 2004
 
Consequently, Delta will discontinue its hub operation at Dallas/Ft. Worth International Airport and eliminate service to Amarillo and Lubbock, Texas, effective January 31, 2005.

This was a necessary but nonetheless difficult decision. Despite restructuring efforts launched in 2003 and the best possible efforts on everyone's part, Delta's operation at DFW has remained unprofitable.
 
Bullet point.
—Discontinuing Delta's Dallas/Ft. Worth hub operation and re-deploying those assets to grow hub operations in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=35&t=184303
 
"Operation Clockwork" The de-hubbing of DFW
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-02-01-clockwork-usat_x.htm
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-01-31-delta-dfw_x.htm
 
The rationale actually lay 700 miles away in Dallas-Fort Worth, where Delta was just as suddenly shuttering a hopeless hub
 
http://marketplace.docmonk.com/doc/airline-weekly-january-14-2013/
 
I guess you know more than the CEO of Delta.
And more than all the media reports at the time.
 
Now other than what flows out of your own mouth, show me ONE report that says Delta did not de-hub DFW in 2005.
 
Just ONE.
 
How about one saying they did it earlier.
Come on, just ONE.

 

[WNMECH]

Soon you will trying to tell us that Delta never really went bankrupt.
 
Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

 

[WNMECH]

 
 
Delta down from 254 (or 256 depending on the article) to 21 flights a day.
 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dfw-international-airport-works-closely-with-delta-air-lines-on-restructuring-71934192.html
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-09-08-delta-plan_x.htm
 
Company CEO Gerald Grinstein said Delta will no longer use the Dallas-Fort Worth airport as one of its four hubs as of 2005.
 
http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=161415&c=8
 
A speech by Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein titled:
The Delta Solution: The Right Airline of the New Era / Remarks by Jerry Grinstein - CEO / September 8, 2004
 
Consequently, Delta will discontinue its hub operation at Dallas/Ft. Worth International Airport and eliminate service to Amarillo and Lubbock, Texas, effective January 31, 2005.

This was a necessary but nonetheless difficult decision. Despite restructuring efforts launched in 2003 and the best possible efforts on everyone's part, Delta's operation at DFW has remained unprofitable.
 
Bullet point.
âDiscontinuing Delta's Dallas/Ft. Worth hub operation and re-deploying those assets to grow hub operations in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=35&t=184303
 
"Operation Clockwork" The de-hubbing of DFW
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-02-01-clockwork-usat_x.htm
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-01-31-delta-dfw_x.htm
 
The rationale actually lay 700 miles away in Dallas-Fort Worth, where Delta was just as suddenly shuttering a hopeless hub
 
http://marketplace.docmonk.com/doc/airline-weekly-january-14-2013/
 
I guess you know more than the CEO of Delta.
And more than all the media reports at the time.
 
Now other than what flows out of your own mouth, show me ONE report that says Delta did not de-hub DFW in 2005.
 
Just ONE.
 
How about one saying they did it earlier.
Come on, just ONE.

Sorry about the font, I wasn't yelling, I was copy and pasting.
Now Wt will tell me to chill or claim I am up in arms again.

 

[WNMECH]

So... anyone who is claiming that there was a viable hub in 2003 or 2004 is clearly deluded.

Viable or not, the CEO of Delta must have been deluded. He claims it was a hub until 2005.

 

[WNMECH]

you can't seem to grasp that DL closed its HUB at DFW but they remained the 2nd largest airline in the local market.

So what?
They went down to only 21 flights a day.
I still don't get your math.
I guess you don't count SWA?

 

[WorldTraveler]

uh.... WN didn't fly to DFW. Does it rot your crotch so bad that WN isn't included in the statement?

Again, the pulldown of the hub started before Jan 2005... it was finished by the end of the month.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make....

 

[WNMECH]

uh.... WN didn't fly to DFW. Does it rot your crotch so bad that WN isn't included in the statement?

Again, the pulldown of the hub started before Jan 2005... it was finished by the end of the month.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make....

1. Love field is 10 miles away. How is that not local traffic?
2. You claimed Delta did not close their hub in 2005 and are wrong.
 
WorldTraveler, on 01 Dec 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

DL actually closed its hub at DFW BEFORE it filed for BK - by several years.