So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[snapthis]

Uh...I think there is a pilot forum for this...We here in this topic are focused on fightin' over non-rev benefits... 16 pages and countin'....

Uh....I think I was responding to this post. Read again.

"The travel policy at AA works for everyone and is one of the things here that actually works. But you can here the groans of the UNION SLUGGS from US. Get out of the 50s and join us in the present. You can spin it any way you want FCFS works better all away around and is easier on the agents and is fair. Thats right a UNION SLUGG wants nothing to do with fair"

I was explaining why I distance myself from US Union sluggs and their supporters.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Uh....I think I was responding to this post. Read again.

"The travel policy at AA works for everyone and is one of the things here that actually works. But you can here the groans of the UNION SLUGGS from US. Get out of the 50s and join us in the present. You can spin it any way you want FCFS works better all away around and is easier on the agents and is fair. Thats right a UNION SLUGG wants nothing to do with fair"

I was explaining why I distance myself from US Union slugs and their supporters.

Uh..no...won't be reading it again LOL. Saving up my time for more FCFS vitriol!

But feel free to continue to prop up NIC and spew more anti "US Union Slug" drivel...It's a free country (for now LOL) and posting on here is pretty cheap...

Come to think of it, posting here is actually cheaper than flying AAnywhere domestically on AA non-rev "benefits"!

 

[eolesen]

And how is FCFS "easier on the agents"? Really? All the agent has to do is clear the passengers in the order given on the computer screen. FCFS and DOH agents do the EXACT same thing...clear the list based on the order given by the computer. So, no..that's just flat wrong.

Uh, no, it's not. I've worn that uniform, and cleared probably thousands (at a minimum) of nonrevs at the gate. Have you?

As an agent, with FCFS, you know who is listed for the flight when you start prepping for it, and who is at the top of the list long before the aircraft is on the gate. You even know who your connecting nonrevs are in AA's res system.

Thus, you can start to issue your BP's long before the aircraft is there should you choose to, even if you don't hand them out. You can set up the kiosks to issue BPs. You can even allow the ATO to issue them. I don't recall if the web does it or not.

With a seniority based system, all that work gets pushed to the gate. You really can't start working your list until you reach whatever the cutoff is for listing and exercising your seniority. At many airlines, that's when the aircraft is on the gate, and real customers need attention.

Seniority drives more workload.

 

[IORFA]

Uh..no...won't be reading it again LOL. Saving up my time for more FCFS vitriol!

But feel free to continue to prop up NIC and spew more anti "US Union Slug" drivel...It's a free country (for now LOL) and posting on here is pretty cheap...

Come to think of it, posting here is actually cheaper than flying AAnywhere domestically on AA non-rev "benefits"!

Free coach after 5 years isn't cheap enough for you?

 

[snapthis]

Uh...I think there is a pilot forum for this...We here in this topic are focused on fightin' over non-rev benefits... 16 pages and countin'....

But feel free to continue to prop up NIC and spew more anti "US Union Slug" drivel...It's a free country (for now LOL) and posting on here is pretty cheap...

So are you telling me if poor ol George Nicolau, (Nic) who just turned 88, would not be welcome in your crash pad?

If you knew George, you might like him.

BUSINESS
Arbitrator stands by controversial list

by Dawn Gilbertson - Apr. 26, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

His name is a household name, often used in vain, in the pilot ranks at US Airways.

George Nicolau, an 84-year-old New York attorney best known for his longtime role as Major League Baseball's arbitrator, is the federal arbitrator who two years ago issued the merged seniority list that bitterly divided the 5,000 pilots of the former America West Airlines and the old US Airways.

The list is the unofficial centerpiece of a trial that begins in federal court in Phoenix Tuesday, pitting the two pilot groups against each other four years after the merger was announced.

Nicolau won't be there and says he doesn't even know what the lawsuit is about.

But he says he does know this: The list was fair.

In the decision, he rejected US Airways pilots' requests for a seniority system based on date of hire, which would have strongly favored them given America West's younger age. He also weighed the career expectations of both sides and concluded that the financial future of US Airways was "not comparable to or as bright as that of America West" at the time of the merger.

He came up with a blended seniority list that put several hundred of US Airways' most senior pilots, those flying the prized international flights, at the top and ranked the rest according to a ratio based on their status at the time of the merger. US Airways pilots on furlough at the time of the merger were put at the bottom, a major sore point. One of two pilots from outside America West/US Airways on the panel issued a dissenting opinion on that point but otherwise praised Nicolau's rationale.

"I still believe it's the right one," Nicolau said of the list.

He was the only voting member of a three-member Air Line Pilots Association arbitration board that heard the case in late 2006.

Nicolau said there were plenty of "fusses" about some of his Major League Baseball decisions, but none lingered as long as the US Airways decision.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/2009/04/26/20090426biz-usairwayspilots0426side.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz2M8fCJcnJ

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Uh, no, it's not. I've worn that uniform, and cleared probably thousands (at a minimum) of nonrevs at the gate. Have you?

As an agent, with FCFS, you know who is listed for the flight when you start prepping for it, and who is at the top of the list long before the aircraft is on the gate. You even know who your connecting nonrevs are in AA's res system.

Thus, you can start to issue your BP's long before the aircraft is there should you choose to, even if you don't hand them out. You can set up the kiosks to issue BPs. You can even allow the ATO to issue them. I don't recall if the web does it or not.

With a seniority based system, all that work gets pushed to the gate. You really can't start working your list until you reach whatever the cutoff is for listing and exercising your seniority. At many airlines, that's when the aircraft is on the gate, and real customers need attention.

Seniority drives more workload.

That's an absolute falsehood. I don't really care how man THOUSANDS of non-revs you claim to have boarded. "Truth by Intimidation" doesn't rule the roost.

US knows who is is a through pax and that is automatically accounted for by the IT system. We also know who is listed for the flight when you start working it.

US does not allow you to issue BPs LONG BEFORE the aircraft is there. We could. And if we did, if you haven't listed and checked in BEFORE the clearing process begins then you don't get a boarding pass no matter your DOH. That's part of the current US policy.

Let me repeat that...if you are not listed and checked in AND are not at the gate BEFORE the clearing process starts, you cannot walk up and use DOH to pull someone off a US flight. PERIOD.

At US we can only clear BPs at D-30 (30 minutes before departure) if we are 70% empty. Some combo of QIK/Gate Reader is suppose to enforce that. For a full flight at D-10 you start clearing after you have given all the revenue pax a final chance. REPEAT if the clearing process has started and you are not checked in and at the gate when your name is called, you lose your seat. PERIOD.

US flights are restricted for check-in at D-30. Go ahead and list if you want, but you the kiosk won't even issue a Gate Pass after D-30. And the ATO can't check you in after the flight has been restricted. Further, the US web check-in ap won't allow you to check in after D-60. It will tell you to go the airport. You better get there and check-in before D-30/restriction or you are not going. Your DOH be damned.

At D-30 the computer tells you who is listed and the flight is restricted for check-in. At D-10, at the latest, you start clearing. I repeat...You can't show up after clearing has begun and use DOH as a trump card. PERIOD.

So much for the myth of all the last minute D-15 non-rev madness that must be occuring daily at US and killing gate agents because of US union loving slugs that like DOH...That little myth, my friend, is one big fAAt lie.

Please stop making up stories and trying to speak authoritatively of what you clearly do not know. Thousands (at a minimum) of non-revs boarded be damned....

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

So are you telling me if poor ol George Nicolau, (Nic) who just turned 88, would not be welcome in your crash pad?

Nope. He'd be very welcomed! BTW...the crash pad is...FCFS!!!!! LOL

 

[700UW]

Eric,

With DOH flying there is a list also with what non-revs are listed and most non-revs check in at home before they even leave for the airport.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Free coach after 5 years isn't cheap enough for you?

No. Not when it's ziltch at US and also ziltch under the UA contract at UA. How much blood do these companies really want out of employees making $10/hr while execs enjoy LIFETIME positive space first class bennies?

Is it really killling the company to let the employee fly for free from day one? From what the AA posters have been saying here, the AA flights are so damn full you're not gonna get on anyway, right?

For God's sake, even the poor DL "Ready Reserve" people get 30 days of absolutely free non-reving from day one. So, no the five year AA plan really isn't that great.

And what's the deal with no buddy passes for 2 years? Was that policy really helping save AA from loss of market share, loss of revenue and bankruptcy?

Sorry, cAAn't sell me on this one....

Let's see..The AA plan:
30% pay cut...Bankruptcy...Propose 20% more in pay cuts and 10's of thousands laid off...but wait, yep when we merge keep FCFS and definately keep charging them for coach (hey! it's free after 5 years!), and if you're able to stick around a lot longer you can even fly in first for free...Oh, you say UA has free in first from day one (under the UA contract)....oh, well they must be stuck in the 1950s..speaking of which...no jeans in first at AA!

 

[Harold Nads]

That's a pretty good whine DCA, you will fit right in.

(Oh, and the only thing worse than the Hot-Cold faucet/Greyhound Bus logo is two, the second being even bigger on a blue tail. cringe)

 

[eolesen]

At US we can only clear BPs at D-30 (30 minutes before departure) if we are 70% empty. Some combo of QIK/Gate Reader is suppose to enforce that. For a full flight at D-10 you start clearing after you have given all the revenue pax a final chance. REPEAT if the clearing process has started and you are not checked in and at the gate when your name is called, you lose your seat. PERIOD.

Thanks for proving what I said -- using DOH forces all that activity into the 30 minutes before departure, when you should be dealing with revenue customers, not employees.

On a full flight at D-10, you should have the jetbridge door closed, not starting to deal with your nonrevs.

 

[john john]

US can allow issuing of BP’s with seats long before departure at the ATO ticket counter if so desire
Why issue BP’s and not give them out. Issuing of BP’s with seat can be done at anytime with US if so desire

 

[dash8roa]

The travel policy at AA works for everyone and is one of the things here that actually works. But you can here the groans of the UNION SLUGGS from US. Get out of the 50s and join us in the present. You can spin it any way you want FCFS works better all away around and is easier on the agents and is fair. Thats right a UNION SLUGG wants nothing to do with fair

With FCFS,does that require you check in at the airport or can somebody check in on line? If it goes to FCFS,airport chack in only is the fairest way to go in my opinion.At US we had DOH and it worked very well for me and I am not a long time employee. I was hired before 2003 so I was able to get the 5/55 retirement non rev benefit. Only once in 10 trips to Europe did I miss a flight and that was due to 4 people buying tickets at the last minute.
US non rev travel is free except for the taxes. Is AA the same or is there a fee?

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Thanks for proving what I said -- using DOH forces all that activity into the 30 minutes before departure, when you should be dealing with revenue customers, not employees.

On a full flight at D-10, you should have the jetbridge door closed, not starting to deal with your nonrevs.

WRONG again! I didn't prove any of your points. By US policy WE CANT issue boarding passes BEFORE D-30. As I stated, if the policy changes and we are able to issue BPs before D-30 it would be done BY DOH and those DOHs that HAD NOT CHECKED IN AND WERE NOT AT THE GATE AT THE TIME OF THE START OF THE CLEARING PROCESS would not be boarded.

Please try pulling the wool over my eyes with another bombastic proclamation....

Oh, and per your D-10 comments? Thanks, but tell it to DP...

God Bless US AAll! And God Bless the US/AA!

 

[eolesen]

Why issue BP’s and not give them out.

Issuing BP's but holding them allows the agent to go ahead and grab seats for nonrevs who are traveling together, but also leaves a few cards in the deck in case there's a seating problem closer to departure.

Just about every airline I've consulted with does a variation on that theme with their nonrevs.