reserves f/a's are sitting in phl

[IpourNotCan]

Don't you guys have scheduling preference? AT HP, we have a system where you can put A, B and C and options to fly over 70. If our reserves pick that option, scheduling works them alot.
See at HP, we don't stay with the same pilots most of the time that is why our flight attendants can get lots of hours.
The company can build more pairings with mixed aircrafts creating more block holders.

 

[tahitigirl]

I'm not sure how the ETB was to work, and with what. All I know it's not working. Not just for reserves but blockholders too. Most blockholders thought they would be able to drop trips and reserves could just pick them up. Then came all the parameters.

When we first got the ETB most reserves grabed up what they could trying to make extra money. In the summer PHL f/a flew like crazy not only on company time but also the ETB. Many getting a 100+ hour paycheck. Now with the reduction of mainline flying we are all just sitting around on days on duty.

I don't fly my days off, do to those being the only days I can make plans. We get 11 days off and I don't think we should be expected to work them. I also don't want to make this a blockholder vs. reserve thing, since hopefully one day I'll be holding a block. But I do think we need a complete overhaul of our scheduling system.

 

[N109UW]

The main reason we are sitting this month is that it is a holiday month,next month should be the same. Reserve flying won't pick up until probably feb. The reserves at US East dont have preferences, although our pilots have short call and long call. We are all on the same options. We can do quick call, but that really doesn't work either. If you do quick call once, you have to do it all month, or you just fall back in line at your LTO and sit. Tahiti, it is not about blockholder or reserve, so please don't put that in the mix. If you remember from our negotiations, these two systems were meant to go in together(Pref Bid and LTO system). You cannot have the new LTO system and the old AIL system, it just won't work. It's pretty much like having your cake and wanting to eat it also. We still haveto fly with our pilots, which is very inefficient. All the trips at US East are built to pilots and we just fly their pairings. They could definately built trips to the F/A's much better, but that requires spitting away from the pilots. We have to many F/A's who are scared to do that. It's pretty sad. They say that scheduling will jerk us around, and I tell them" know your contract and they won't be able to". We have to many followers here.

 

[SKY HIGH]

I don't fly my days off, do to those being the only days I can make plans. We get 11 days off and I don't think we should be expected to work them. I also don't want to make this a blockholder vs. reserve thing, since hopefully one day I'll be holding a block. But I do think we need a complete overhaul of our scheduling system.

Sky high states: OVERHAUL? Wasnt it Gangwal who couldnt believe that this airline was "scheduled" on a daily basis?
Be careful what you wish for! Some airlines have you FLY YOUR LINE, and that's it.

 

[tahitigirl]

I'm just saying with todays technology there should be a better way.

Why not let people create thier on lines from the begining rather than bidding and rebidding? The more seniority you have the less you have to fly. Make us more responsible for ourselves rather than treating us like 2 year olds. Use reserves for what they are reserves.

 

[hula-flyguy]

We have to many followers here.
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That explains the "me too" clause

I'm just saying with todays technology there should be a better way.

Why not let people create thier on lines from the begining rather than bidding and rebidding? The more seniority you have the less you have to fly. Make us more responsible for ourselves rather than treating us like 2 year olds. Use reserves for what they are reserves.

Bid a block, and fly it....makes perfect sense to me.

 

[SKY HIGH]

I'm just saying with todays technology there should be a better way.

Sky high states: OK, fair enough. There's several different ways OTHER AIRLINES do this. Care to change to....United's?.....Northwest's?.....Southwest's? LINEHOLDER, RESERVE SYSTEM?

 

[tahitigirl]

Sky high states: OK, fair enough. There's several different ways OTHER AIRLINES do this. Care to change to....United's?.....Northwest's?.....Southwest's? LINEHOLDER, RESERVE SYSTEM?

Why do we always have to do what other airlines do? Why not figure out something new and different? We are all professional adults and should be treated as such.

 

[jimntx]

Why not let people create thier on lines from the begining rather than bidding and rebidding? The more seniority you have the less you have to fly. Make us more responsible for ourselves rather than treating us like 2 year olds. Use reserves for what they are reserves.

I have a friend who flies for Frontier. They have Preferential Bidding where you simply get a list of all the sequences for the month, and you attempt to put together a line from the available sequences. She likes it fine; however...

She used to fly for American Eagle and then AA (we were classmates in new hire training). She said that she doubted that this system would work at AA because we have so many senior f/as who bid the best lines and then don't fly them--trade, drop, or sell their sequences. Since we now have a lot of sequences that involve one or more 4-leg days in a 3 day trip, the junior people would, of course, be stuck with these.

And, keep in mind that at AA junior is a relative term. Even though we only have to serve reserve 3 times/year after the first 3 years, at STL people with 8 years are completely off reserve. At DFW people with 17 years are still having to serve reserve 3 times/year.

I would imagine that you would have similar problems at US.

 

[N109UW]

I'm just saying with todays technology there should be a better way.

Why not let people create thier on lines from the begining rather than bidding and rebidding? The more seniority you have the less you have to fly. Make us more responsible for ourselves rather than treating us like 2 year olds. Use reserves for what they are reserves.

Tahiti, that is basically what Pref Bid is. We build our own lines. We bid almost all of the trips out, even with short block times, that way, almost all of the trips are covered. Then we can use our reserves as reserves. However, this would pretty much eliminates the Bid Sheet, which our union does not want to give up. What do you mean, the more senior you are, the less you have to fly? Do you mean like one trip or something? Also, we have way to many F/A's at US East that cannot be responsible for themselves. How long have you been here? You have got to know that. One of the main reasons they changed to the new reserve system was to force people to fly. Why should they have to force anyone to fly. We have plenty of F/A's out on Invol.furlough who would love to just come back and fly. This new system didn't accomplish what the company had hoped. We still have 30 year F/A's who don't know how to do vacation or sick claims, so it is tough not to treat some as though they where infants.

 

[hula-flyguy]

OH NO HE DI'NT!!! roflmao

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[IpourNotCan]

You guys better hope that US West finally settle the F/A Contract. We all need the Partial Trip Drop like Southwest Airlines, this is one of the ways reserves can earn money.

I certainly would love to have this and I'd rather have flexibility than money to tell you the truth.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well I was told on here the other day not to be so against blockholders still having some flexibility. Well let me ask, what the hell kind of flexibility do WE reserves have? It's a bunch of bs and they are finding that out as more and more join us in reserve land here at US-East. Nothing that we endure as reserves was favored in the last vote by reserves. Anyone can say what they like but this whole Pref. bid/AIL/LTO blah, blah, blah....it still hurt the reserves. Now they are asking questions about how the reserve system works. As you explain they look like a deer in headlights. I love and respect all my workers but because you put more time in and can hold a block does not mean that we should not have more flexibility. I know a lot of blockholders or MOST that know a bit of what were going through feel horrible about it. The update for reserves said we pulled through and did a great job. What choice did we have. We did OUR JOBS. I hope to be a blockholder someday. Maybe when I hold that shuttle trip to the moon, but still hoping. It's not fair.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Well I was told on here the other day not to be so against blockholders still having some flexibility. Well let me ask, what the hell kind of flexibility do WE reserves have? It's not fair.

sky high states: Reserves USED TO HAVE "passing rights".
Just WHO "ABUSED" that?
OOOOOOooooo, I'm looking for a ONE DAY. :down: :down:
knowing that availability was LOW so you could get the day off.

 

[twoturnin]

LOL this used to be a BIG flying is optional airline----get paid for doing nothing at all---neat stuff eh---with a 42 hr bank long ago and if u were senior enough----including you vacation---senior pilots didnt fly but maybe 6 months or less a yr and get full line pay 12 months a yr !
Whats new in productivity----YIKES