I AM TO HERE AT DFW still voteing HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no
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chris perry
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- Sep 17, 2008
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NOT NOOOOOOO,BUT HELLLLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HERE.
enough already
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- Jan 8, 2003
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NOPE!! :angry2:
AAnotk, Dallas morning news and star telegram reports, reports from union observers bloomberg etc.search for bankruptcy court testimony, courtroom and stuff like that. I'm off to work now but I'll try to compile some of the things I read and provide links later.Until then can anybody else watching post regarding this so we can all see. oh and Hell No from ORD.fight for our careers.do not surrender to fear.
odie01
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Bump...
Maybe someone can make a flyer of this and hand it to a fellow AMT before he drinks the kool-aid?
OP
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Your only Union leverage left as this point is that NO plan of Reorganization has ever been approved by a Bankruptcy Court without consensual agreements from Unions on the property. You must force negotiations to move closer to the emergence plan deadline to succeed.
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
Voting NO will require negotiations to continue with a deadline for AA to get a plan together.
AS the deadline nears AA will have to move closer to the Unions demand or no plan to emerge will be approved because consensual agreements with the Unions must be in place before judge will approve a plan of reorganization.
Removing this leverage now is the worst thing a Union person could do.
The TWU is attempting to use unfounded fear to get you to vote to remove the only leverage we have left.
The reason the TWU is doing this is to attempt to save jobs and dues payers.
If you are willing to sellout the future of the profession, then vote YES.
If you are willing to take a stand and stop the bleeding this profession has suffered then vote NO.
AA is not even asking to cancel your contract, they are asking to modify your contract to reduce cost.
If the contract were to be cancelled then job actions could take place and the company could not obtain injunctions to stop job actions.
If the contract were to be cancelled then there would be NO closed shop and the TWU would suffer loss of dues income.
Your contract will NOT be cancelled, it will be modified and negotiations must resume.
Neither AA or the TWU will seek complete cancellation of your contract.
TWU is the only Union "tapping" out before the fight even begins.
AA Pilots and F/A's are not in any hurry to sellout their members like the TWU is.
AA Pilots and F/S's are basically sitting and whittling sticks while the TWU is running around like a chicken without a head.
The TWU is only doing this to save some jobs and cannot even give you an exact number being saved.
The Outsource Language will allow AA to reduce headcount anyway over the six agreement period. No jobs are really being saved at all.
In 1995 we gave them 25% SRP's and 6 1/2% over 6 years in pay raises to save jobs and turn this company around.
In 2003 we gave 17.5% paycut, Holidays, Vacation, and Sick time to turn this company around.
2012....17 years later, you are being asked to give again.
We cannot save AA from itself with concessions. This has been proven over 17 years.
Now is the time to take a stand and stop the concessions for jobs that does nothing to secure your overall future.
How many times must you allow the TWU to use FEAR to destroy your own future and job to save an imaginary headcount that turns out to be untrue?
VOTE NO, TAKE A STAND, DO NOT BEND TO TWU FEAR!!!
We Paid big bucks for the best lawyers to fight for us.If we pass this, they will pack up and go home without even representing our case in court.I'm not a coward and I want to fight this out not surrender before the first battles are fought.There is a reason the pilots and F/As are not doing what the TWU is doing.
OP
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Simple, boycott and not attend. That's what I and many others did here in Tulsa.
You have everything in front of you, it is not going to appear any better no matter how you look at it.
Unless you are looking for someone to blame because you are afraid to vote no.
Then keep looking, someone will step up for you.
Most locals are NOT advocating that we pass this.514 is the only one I know of that is. we are hearing ( and feel free to jump in guys from other locals)ORD JFK LAX MIA DFW AFW DWH are all saying NO
Frank Szabo
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Correction - the twu (owner of our contract) shelled out big bucks from our dues for lawyers to represent their interests - not our interests.
Lawyers work for whoever engaged their services only - just because we are paying for the supposed "representation" does not mean we, as the membership, hired them. Regardless of where the money came from, they work only for the one writing the checks.
I agree, however, with making the twu do its job for a change and not spend our dues on elections.
texasreb
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- Jul 26, 2008
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He said lawyers not locals. I have personally talked to people that are voting yes at afw.
Frank Szabo
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Will the company and its wholly owned subsidiary working against the employees/membership for at least the past 22 years that i'm aware of, not sure what else the outcome could possibly have been.
Bonus time became bonus bust and the execs (being the greedy SOBs they are) couldn't have that as it's evidently hard to live on salary alone, so - here we are - we have arrived - failure bonuses all around after emergence from bankruptcy.
The only issue now is if we will vote to keep AA's "partners" in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed - on our dime.
