Local 514 vote yes rally

Overspeed said:
Useful if you actually read and comprehend it. This is what happens when people who aren’t lawyers try to interpret judicial opinions. The opinion you link to is a District Court decision overruling the Bankruptcy Court. Part B, which you base your opinion on, describes the Bankruptcy court decision which was overruled. If you read the first part of the decision it specifically states that the reason the Bankruptcy Court decision was overruled was because it relied on proposals made after the beginning of the hearings on the motion to reject. That is the part that is quoted by our lawyer in her opinion where she states that the LBO cannot be considered by the Court because it was a proposal made after the beginning of the hearings.

The Court does not impose anything. It simply accepts or rejects based on the Company’s representation of what it intends to impose. The Company has stated in every proceeding that it intends to impose the “Ask” and if the contract is rejected that is what will be imposed. If you think this isn’t the correct account of the law find a lawyer who will sign his name to a contrary opinion.
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Key word!!
 
Well Hanger 5 must believe in the Tooth Fairy also. Honestly people...you really believe that Horton and his minions will keep their word on layoffs and such ?
 
Overspeed said:
Yep, "if". 33 out of 33 CBAs have been rejected in court in the last decade and we are going to be the first one to buck the trend.

You are entitled to dream.
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How many cases was the "ASK" imposed? How many Concensual agreements were achieved?? 33 is propaganda!!
 
OS, Do you believe the judge will slam his gavel and say your contracts are gone and AA can do whatever they want??
 
2ndGENAMT said:
Does anyone seriously believe the judge is going to slam his gavel and say your contracts are gone and AA can do whatever they want??

WE will see what happens with the pilots & attendants because they will fight on! The TWU will get the vote they need because of the fear they are spreading and the ignorance of the majority of its membership....
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IMO the pilots and F/As will cause utter hell in day to day operations and will very possibly shut this carrier down if there "ask" terms are imposed. They (unlike the TWU)have had enough & will act. Exactly why we should be on board with them as well. If not now, when?

Most, TULE boys voting "YES" are scared shiiteless. The party's over. They know very well they are paid exceptional money(gen speaking)for the TUL area-and can do no better in Tulsa/are not willing to fight. This is to the detriment to the mechs in other stations of the AA system who don't reside in cow towns. These guys need a substantial bump in money.

There's one upside to all of this. TULE's numbers of "YES" voters will be wacked in any scenario and will be hard pressed to swing any vote in the future. And the time to flush the TWU with ease, is fast approaching. And the TWU knows it.

Hats off to the NO voters...sign both an AMFA-AMP card asap.
 
Stock Clerks will vote NO, as a YES vote is for outside vendor management and big time outsourcing. So that NO vote from them will cancel that "Me Too" letter for us.

Lots of concessions, too much to give the Co. without just cause. Why cave in and give up ASAP ??? Why the big push to vote without thinking? It has the Co. mgmt drooling at the prospect of union busting.
 
2ndGENAMT said:
OS, Do you believe the judge will slam his gavel and say your contracts are gone and AA can do whatever they want??
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Yep.

"The role of the bankruptcy court as little more than an adjunct of corporate management was underscored by the decision of Judge Wedoff to impose a wage cut double the amount demanded by United. Wedoff also imposed concessions on United mechanics two years ago, after they rejected an earlier round of concessions. Afterwards, the mechanics voted to leave the International Association of Machinists and join the AMFA."

So under the IAM the UAL mechanics rejected concessions and voted to leave and join AMFA (an independent union) because they would get a better deal. Then the BK judge spanked them with a doubling up on the concessions the Company wanted.
 
And why vote without union leadership?

The union you pay in the form of compulsory dues then takes a so called neutral stand.

The union should take a leadership yes or no position and live with the consequences, either way.
 
Buck said:
And why vote without union leadership?

The union you pay in the form of compulsory dues then takes a so called neutral stand.

The union should take a leadership yes or no position and live with the consequences, either way.
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Absent a big NO recommendation from TWU, the YES rings loud and clear.

They will be held accountable for this, mark my post!!!!!
 
lots of dull dim-whits dufuses abound, to do the Company's bidding, and destroy the profession as we know it. Language was written at the last moment by the company and inserted into that contract. Lots of open and vague language on outsourcing. Just manipulate the maint. schedule to eliminate hangar space and viola, there is another logical reason to outsource even more than the stated percentages. Don't believe it? Read Article 1 then Vote NO.
 
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