Pilot labor thread week 4/27-5/3

[ClueByFour]

This is not personal. This falls under the category of consider the source.

That's right. It's like an autistic 4 year old trying to impugn their doctor's credibility. Take another pill, junior.

But I urge you to look back thru all of my posts--pay particular attention to where I predicted what would happen with Nicolau.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI: ALPA at its best. NOT.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 4/18/2008 5:09:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: ALPA INSURANCE CANCELLATION NOTICE


April 18, 2008

Dear ALPA Insurance Participant:

As you know, ALPA has been replaced as the collective bargaining representative for US Airways pilots, effective today. As a consequence, you may no longer remain an ALPA member and, under ALPA's policy and the terms of our insurance contracts, you are no longer permitted to participate in ALPA-sponsored insurance programs.

The purpose of this letter is to describe how each plan and your insurance account will be addressed.

Cancellation:

-Monthly Loss of License and Lump Sum Loss of License will be cancelled effective April 18, 2008

-Short-Term Disability, Group Term Life Insurance, Ten Year Level Term Life, and Accidental Death and Dismemberment will be cancelled effective April 30, 2008

Account Reconciliation:
Your account will be credited for any excess premium payment received beyond the cancellation date above for each plan. In the months to come, account reconciliations will be performed to identify any overpayment. If it is determined there is an overpayment of your account, ALPA will process a refund.

Pending Claims:
Insurance claims that are in process will continue and will be unaffected by the change in your membership status with ALPA.

Sincerely,
Membership Services Department

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Does anyone else hear the rumble of marching drums off in the distance.......???

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080428/united_us_airways.html?.v=1


The days of the usapian empire are numbered.

King Bradford and Sir Theuer - its back to the line for you.

DOH is, in fact, DOA. RIP

 

[P51Pilot]

Does anyone else hear the rumble of marching drums off in the distance.......???

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080428/united_us_airways.html?.v=1


The days of the usapian empire are numbered.

King Bradford and Sir Theuer - its back to the line for you.

DOH is, in fact, DOA. RIP

Do you think the United pilots will want a merger where their weak condition can be used to disadvantage them as the ALPA lovers would so want to do, or might they embrace DOH with conditions and restrictions as they slide toward the precipice. A position USAPA is constitutionally bound to extend and rightfully so.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Do you think the United pilots will want a merger where there weak condition can be used to disadvantage them as the ALPA lovers would so want to do, or might they an embraces DOH with conditions and restrictions as they slide toward the precipice. A position USAPA is constitutionally bound to extend and rightfully so.

Oh pahleeeze!!! - a bit too much assumption there, my friend?

Go ahead, extend your fusap DOH "offer" to the UAL pilots. Just be standing with your back to the wall and be very close to an emergency exit as you do so.

'Cause you're going to need it.

 

[Leonidas]

Do you think the United pilots will want a merger where their weak condition can be used to disadvantage them as the ALPA lovers would so want to do, or might they embrace DOH with conditions and restrictions as they slide toward the precipice. A position USAPA is constitutionally bound to extend and rightfully so.

No I'm sure the united pilots want to give your date of hire, also they will want to give all future upgrades and widebody flying. Oh and I am sure they would rather go into arbitration with a doh list where your junior fo's have 18 years, instead of the Nic. which tmakes doh a mute point in any arbitration. Oh and I am sure that alpa will run interference for the east pilots again and go against the 10000 ua/awa pilots.

 

[Pacemaker]

Do you think the United pilots will want a merger where their weak condition can be used to disadvantage them as the ALPA lovers would so want to do, or might they embrace DOH with conditions and restrictions as they slide toward the precipice. A position USAPA is constitutionally bound to extend and rightfully so.

Like in 2000, every time one of you USAir pilots mentions "DOH" you just strengthen the resolve of a bunch more United pilots to never let this deal get off the ground.

 

[toganoflex]

Do you think the United pilots will want a merger where there weak condition can be used to disadvantage them as the ALPA lovers would so want to do, or might they an embraces DOH with conditions and restrictions as they slide toward the precipice. A position USAPA is constitutionally bound to extend and rightfully so.

Hate to burst your bubble, but USAPA will have nothing to do with the merger should it happen. You'll be the quickest union to dissolve in labor history.

A mere flash in the pan with Nic being used as a snapshot in the SLI.

 

[toganoflex]

FYI.......................

RHDeM Wrote:

Dear Capt. Bradford,

First of all, CONGRATULATIONS on doing something that I have been hoping would happen for the past 30 years, and that is....getting rid of the ALPA curse!

As I prepare to celebrate my 30th anniversary (April 26th, 1978 - April 26th, 2008) with this company and don the service pin with 3 diamonds, I look back on my career here at the combination of Empire Airlines, Piedmont, USair(ways) and now America West. I am greatly concerned about one last bit of ALPA business that may once again come back to haunt this pilot group, DATE-OF-HIRE seniority.

You may or may not remember how ALPA, during a push to unionize smaller airlines during the mid 1980s, was allowed, even encouraged, to make an example of the Empire Airlines pilots. To show what would happen if an ALPA carrier bought you and you were not ALPA, the pilots of Empire Airlines were stripped of their rightful place on a date-of-hire seniority list, and placed BELOW pilots that had not even started training...........sound familiar? I lost 7 years of seniority. I have been punished for the past 25 years. I have been denied the ability to bid holidays off, my choice of schedules, my chance of advancement.

What am I asking you to look at and consider? Just like that time long ago when ALPA failed to abide by a date-of-hire merger policy, and just as USAPA has professed to truly support and demand a date-of-hire integration, I ask that USAPA immediately place ALL Empire pilots (or any other group) in their true positions on our USAirways SENIORITY list so that if and when ALPA returns in one demon form or another (a merger?), USAPA will be able to hold it's head high and state with the utmost truthfulness, that we are, in fact, a DATE-OF-HIRE airline?

I am not asking for a windfall. I have paid the price for 25 years (A loss of about 2.5 million dollars just in DIFFERENCE in PAY). I am just asking that I be able to use my 30 years here to exercise my seniority just like any other pilot on our list. DATE-OF-HIRE is DATE-OF HIRE!!! There can not be any exceptions.....because 'EXCEPTIONS' were what ALPA was all about!

We are now the IN HOUSE UNION....just like Empire Airlines Pilots Association was.............when ALPA shows up again.....are we as USAPA pilots prepared to go to the BOTTOM of the list as Empire did so that ALPA can show, once again, what happens to pilots that defy ALPA's will?

Conditions, restrictions??? If you must...........but put my name and those of my fellow Empire pilot's on the seniority list where they always should have been, according to their DATE-OF-HIRE!!!!!!


Sincerely,

RDeM
F/O B767-I PHL

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Does anyone else hear the rumble of marching drums off in the distance.......???

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080428/united_us_airways.html?.v=1


The days of the usapian empire are numbered.

King Bradford and Sir Theuer - its back to the line for you.

DOH is, in fact, DOA. RIP

1. No I don't.

2. Maybe they are numbered, maybe they are not. We'll see.

3. Steve B. and Scott T. already have been flying the line. Unlike their ALPA counterparts prior to the election, they and the rest of the USAPA leadership were not afforded FPL. That gravy train is also DOA no matter what happens. I am really looking forward to seeing the accounting on how much ALPA spent to lose the election. Now that is going to be very interesting.

4. If "DOH is, in fact DOA. RIP" then why have a union? Everything else is and was replaceable at a lessor cost. That only leaves some core union principles. Which ALPA has neglected to use/protect a long time ago. For which I can only say is good riddance. Maybe ALPA will change, but I doubt it.

 

[prechilill]

4. If "DOH is, in fact DOA. RIP" then why have a union?

To make such a statement speaks volumes as to how you think. It is obvious you are so desperate to believe DOH has a significant place in merging seniority lists, when in fact there isn't even a mention of it in Allegheny Mohawk and the Federal guidelines just published.

Here is a clue, unions like at Southwest, United, Delta and a lot of smaller carriers do just fine. You want to believe the whole world is wrecked without it because you depend so much on DOH for your personal advancement. Well, Nicolau saw right through you guys as well as the NWA and UAL MEC's (reference their independent statements as to the fairness of Nicolau seniority integration). Maybe one day you will come in from left field...

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Like in 2000, every time one of you USAir pilots mentions "DOH" you just strengthen the resolve of a bunch more United pilots to never let this deal get off the ground.

Actually, I hope you're right. IMO There will be no merger unless UAL files for BK again. That's Doug's MO. Then I'll pay closer attention. It could be prepackaged but its all speculation up to now. Fun to talk about, nothing more. Then what? Maybe US provides DIP financing as UAL sheds a lot of debt and duplicate assets. If it happens, I just hope they plan this out right or we'll be back where we started in short order. Management gets rich and we get the street. All of us.

 

[Leonidas]

1. No I don't.

2. Maybe they are numbered, maybe they are not. We'll see.

3. Steve B. and Scott T. already have been flying the line. Unlike their ALPA counterparts prior to the election, they and the rest of the USAPA leadership were not afforded FPL. That gravy train is also DOA no matter what happens. I am really looking forward to seeing the accounting on how much ALPA spent to lose the election. Now that is going to be very interesting.

4. If "DOH is, in fact DOA. RIP" then why have a union? Everything else is and was replaceable at a lessor cost. That only leaves some core union principles. Which ALPA has neglected to use/protect a long time ago. For which I can only say is good riddance. Maybe ALPA will change, but I doubt it.

Hey aaa so who's on your merger committee? Oh yeah you got the funds to hire a merger attorney? It's going to get very expensive for you boys. Let me guess what your strategy is going into arbitration, DOH or nothing, right?

 

[ClueByFour]

A merger with UAL will end up in arbitration. That won't go DOH, and it probably will start with the Nic list. Ironic, eh?

BTW, I do not expect UAL to file to Chapter 11. If it does, there will be a bidding war for the profitable assets. UAL will happily chase the Pacific slots, the LHR stuff will be ripe for the plucking. That's not going to leave LCC with much of value. No, UAL and US almost have to combine with each whole, in which case DOH is DOA in front of any arbitrator.

 

[toganoflex]

Actually, I hope you're right. IMO There will be no merger unless UAL files for BK again. That's Doug's MO. Then I'll pay closer attention. It could be prepackaged but its all speculation up to now. Fun to talk about, nothing more. Then what? Maybe US provides DIP financing as UAL sheds a lot of debt and duplicate assets. If it happens, I just hope they plan this out right or we'll be back where we started in short order. Management gets rich and we get the street. All of us.

AAA73,

In your opinion, how is USAPA going to appease the Empire pilots that are demanding your own least be modified to date-of-hire.

Is USAPA planning on making that change?