Pilot labor thread week 4/27-5/3

[john john]

Sorry I didn’t know ual was so much financially better off then the rest of the airline industry
They better stay were there at.Stand-alone financially good carrier

 

[sharktooth]

Oh yeah = I "got the idea"...which is that such as yourself can imagine your little personal difficulties on so grandiose a scale as to equate to the loss of over 2,000 at Pearl Harbor, and the subsequent human cost of millions combined on both sides...7million+ Japanese, and half a million Americans...with little old AWA's problems...Seems reasonable, and fully respectfull of the fallen to me...sheesh. I'm just so well pleased that you've such profound knowledge of history, and so keen an appreciation of an earlier generation's horrible sacrifices, and can puff yourself up to imagine your little tantrums as, in any way, being somehow equivalent... Do you actually have ANY adults/"grownups" out there to talk with?

Beautifully depicted ............

It is like the west's posters repeated use of the word scab, neutering the meaning of the word. So too, they attempt to leverage their "mission" by comparing themselves to a World War and in the process, render all deaths in WWII as no better than dead flies. Pathetic ignorance. No appreciation for what it takes to be a hero, cloaking themselves in heros garb, thinking that surely others must recognize them as such.

Well done, sir.

 

[aquagreen73s]

The only problem the West thinks they are entitled to all you 74s and 777s since "they" saved you from your next bankruptcy

Every UAL 747 and 777 should be off limits to every East and West pilot because neither group had an expectation for flying a true widebody. In other words, the most junior UAL pilot on their list as this is being typed, I guess we'll call him the "UAL Dave O'Dell," should have priority bidding before any West or East pilot ever sees the cockpit of a 777 or a 747 - regardless of how many grey hairs are on their head. That was his expectation when he hired on to UAL and that should remain his expectation when this merger becomes a reality.
The best the East should expect is to be ratioed into UAL's 767-300 fleet on account of their...what....9(?) A330s.

Leave it up to the West and we'll have a deal with UAL on seniority in no time. Might only take one bar tab!

 

[Richard]

Holy S***!!! An Eastinfection calling the West "whiners". OH that is FUNNY!!!!!!. You incontinent D-bags whined yourselves into the unchanging world of SCABDOM. You have NO Integrity, you have ZERO bargaining power, you will be sued into oblivion, you are universally reviled by REAL pilots, and the best part...your Parasite Lawyer has been lying to you the whole time. How many millions of dollars will he collect telling you geriatrics what you want to hear? Does your parasite lawyer have any vested interest to actually be correct? NO. Not ever.

That light at the end of the Tunnel is either Reality or UAL. There was a time for negotiation. Either way,You blew it...again. No Mercy.

Nic. Sticks now and forever. Scabs are Scabs Forever. It's over for you. Who would have thought that being scabs was the only thing that would unite "Bubba" and "Rusthead". New phrase, "Bubbarust".
That's pittsburgheese for SCAB.

A "union" whose largest pilot base has no reps and no members is never, NEVER going to be successful.
I guess it's that east coast Kennedy School of baseless entitlement that has fueled all you SCABS.

You made your bed, and now you'll be forced to lay in it. SCABS

This post just got the poster suspended. Would anyone else like to join him?

Folks, we're getting tired of repeating ourselves. The next personal attack/comment aimed at another poster rather than an issue gets the poster suspended for 7 days, and gets the USAPA/ALPA board shut down for the rest of the cycle--and anyone starting another labor thread for pilots will get two weeks off.

We're tired of babysitting here...Either play by the rules or you don't play at all....

No more warnings...grow up already.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

No more warnings...grow up already.

Well said!

 

[dariencc]

I love you "newbie's!"

Welcome aboard! Isn't this fun?

uSCABa, a newbie? No, it's just little Junebug putting on his webboard tough guy act again. Just more of the same, we actually missed him.

Ok, Jetz, now back to reading your explanations of how UAL is taking the industry by storm. And how the Continental board don't know jack about such matters.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Every UAL 747 and 777 should be off limits to every East and West pilot because neither group had an expectation for flying a true widebody. In other words, the most junior UAL pilot on their list as this is being typed, I guess we'll call him the "UAL Dave O'Dell," should have priority bidding before any West or East pilot ever sees the cockpit of a 777 or a 747 - regardless of how many grey hairs are on their head. That was his expectation when he hired on to UAL and that should remain his expectation when this merger becomes a reality.
The best the East should expect is to be ratioed into UAL's 767-300 fleet on account of their...what....9(?) A330s.

Leave it up to the West and we'll have a deal with UAL on seniority in no time. Might only take one bar tab!

Do us all a favor. If you can't even get the widebody count on the east correct (not including future orders), I would prefer someone else to represent our interests when sitting across the table from the UAL group.

 

[luvn737s]

If the USAPA ASAP sideletter is anything like the East ALPA ASAP sideletter I will pass on the ASAP and just go the NASA route.

The west had better protections in our ASAP program. The company could not even access identity information on ASAP or FOQA reports without ALPA's say so.

Does the USAPA sideletter incorporate these safegaurds? Didn't think so.

Who in their right mind would trust a USAPA gatekeeper to act in the best interest of any west pilot? When have they ever proven their trustworthiness?

 

[Pacemaker]

I think the implication in assigning "9" widebodies to US Airways is that you consider the 767 a common type with the 757, a non-widebody.

According to airlinepilotcentral.com, the fleets are as follows:

Widebody:
UAL: 82
US: 9

767/757:
UAL:122
US:63

Narrowbody:
UAL: 246
US: 309

Total:
UAL: 450
US: 372

 

[Piedmont1984]

Who in their right mind would trust a USAPA gatekeeper to act in the best interest of any west pilot? When have they ever proven their trustworthiness?

They haven't proven anything. Aside from putting away the campaign paraphanalia, USAPA has not yet performed a single official act. Being born doesn't count and populating it's committee structure doesn't either.

 

[Pacemaker]

The only problem the West thinks they are entitled to all you 74s and 777s since "they" saved you from your next bankruptcy

Surely you mean "The East"

West pilots (AWA), unlike original US Airways pilots, have no delusions of grandeur about the makeup of their original carrier. The west was a mid size airline flying narrowbody aircraft on domestic routes. Pretty much the same as the east with the exception being 19 airplanes. And, fictitious plans for 4-engined equipment don't count. Airplanes at the gate are what count.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I think the implication in assigning "9" widebodies to US Airways is that you consider the 767 a common type with the 757, a non-widebody.

According to airlinepilotcentral.com, the fleets are as follows:

Widebody:
UAL: 82
US: 9

767/757:
UAL:122
US:63

Narrowbody:
UAL: 246
US: 309

Total:
UAL: 450
US: 372

Well even if you use those statistics, US has 63+9=72 falling into the 757 gauge or higher category. In addition we have future AB350's on order. I don't know what UAL's future widebody order is.

My point being, don't make concessions before you even begin to negotiate.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Surely you mean "The East"

West pilots (AWA), unlike original US Airways pilots, have no delusions of grandeur about the makeup of their original carrier. The west was a mid size airline flying narrowbody aircraft on domestic routes. Pretty much the same as the east with the exception being 19 airplanes. And, fictitious plans for 4-engined equipment don't count. Airplanes at the gate are what count.

AHA! Another west supporter who admits that career expectations (aircraft orders) are nothing but pipe dreams.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

AHA! Another west supporter who admits that career expectations (aircraft orders) are nothing but pipe dreams.

Well, LCC has something like 24 more 330s on order, plus AB350s. Last I checked, UAL had NOTHING on order.

 

[Pacemaker]

That took all of 9 minutes.

Thanks for proving my point.