More Groups Wanting To Fire The TWU

[WeAAsles]

Two days. Kilbane, Stewart, and Rodgers got the cards prepped and ready to go I hear.

Congratulation then will be in order then when the trigger is pulled. Friday before 5 right?

 

[scorpion 2]

Nice try. Here you go.

The case was lost for the EBO people and they filed an appeal against the Judge who ruled against them with prejudice. That decision if the appeal has any merit is due to be heard at the end of June. When that decision goes in favor of the judge the funds will be free to be released to us.

A percentage of the shares were divested into a mutual fund to retain the original value that the EBO people were suing us (TWU) for. That was done late last year and so far I was told the funds that were divested have gained 15%. 

We will more than likely receive checks for our shares because of the court ruling to divest. The Union will not be able to place those shares back in AAL and more than likely we will be taxed on the proceeds.

I'm quite sure that a full audit will be done that you can take to your individual accountant to verify is correct.

NEXT!!!!!!

Remember originally 5% was set aside for legal expenses and appeals. Then because of the twu's ineptitude to inform it's members in a transparent fashion another 9% was confiscated.  When the accounting is put on paper no one will be able to unravel the expenses related to travel, lodging, steak dinners, wine, whiskey, massages, strip clubs and  flowers for the wife to smooth over all the above.  There will be no way to discern whether an expense was related to the stock or just moved there and related to something completely separate. You want to be in the twu club so bad that critical judgement has been exchanged for twu rose colored glasses. I've seen over zealous chaps like you come and go and you like all the rest will have your wake up fall. Consider this a friendly gesture old chap. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Remember originally 5% was set aside for legal expenses and appeals.

Correct. Had there been any errors in the distribution then how would that have been able to be rectified?


Then because of the twu's ineptitude to inform it's members in a transparent fashion another 9% was confiscated  held to satisfy the order of the judge who was hearing the retirees case. 


When the accounting is put on paper no one will be able to unravel the expenses related to travel, lodging, steak dinners, wine, whiskey, massages, strip clubs and  flowers for the wife to smooth over all the above.  There will be no way to discern whether an expense was related to the stock or just moved there and related to something completely separate.

If after all of the accounting is made available you feel there were inaccuracies you can file a grievance on that through your Local or hire your own Lawyers like the EBO people did and sue.  Personally I'll wait for all of that information to be disclosed before I consider raising cane.

You want to be in the twu club so bad that critical judgement has been exchanged for twu rose colored glasses. I've seen over zealous chaps like you come and go and you like all the rest will have your wake up fall. Consider this a friendly gesture old chap. 

And I've seen overzealous chaps such as yourself walk out in the street and get squashed by busses because they were in too much of a hurry to not check that the road was clear to cross. Consider this a friendly reminder to check both ways before you attempt to cross old boy.

 

[WeAAsles]

When the accounting is put on paper no one will be able to unravel the expenses related to travel, lodging, steak dinners, wine, whiskey, massages, strip clubs and  flowers for the wife to smooth over all the above.

During the equity roadshow of course there were expenses related to that necessity to explain how the formula was going to work for those people who wanted to be educated. You noticed I left in Steak dinners because I'm sure that there were a few people who ordered Steak at night? Including maybe Chicken, Fish, Pork, Pasta or Salad for any vegetarians? Didn't hear anything about any Wine, Whisky, Caviar, Lobster Tail, Chauf·feured excursions across the Champs-Élysées or any of the other items you proposed?

Would you have preferred they ate Oatmeal for breakfast, Mozzarella sticks or Potato skins for Dinner and shared Youth Hostels with College kids while going around to explain the process to us?  

 

[chilokie1]

So do you. You chose your Local leaders who chose their delegates at the convention, who then chose what team they feel is best for the entire membership. Now you can say that you don't decide who those delegates chose. Well you can make a motion at your Local that those delegates must petition the members for who they chose and of course those delegates can advocate for who they feel is best and hope the membership agrees with them.

In the last cycle Jim Little was no longer running. The choice was between Joe Gordon or Harry Lombardo. The winds were showing that Joe was not going to win so Harry and his team took the prize. So you do have a say it's just not to the degree that you would prefer where that ballot is given directly to every member. If you wanted that changed it could be done but it would take some MASSIVE advocacy which I doubt the general membership would ever put in.

On a side note I would consider it bad leadership for not letting the ENTIRE membership VOTE on those two (Very lousy) offers by NWA management. More than likely they would have been shot down by an OVERWHELMING majority but we'll never know? They were never ALLOWED that opportunity. That was a complete dictatorship situation and EVERYONE paid the price for it. 

 

Ok .......good luck with that  :wacko:

 

[Vortilon]

How is that possible? Were Mechanics making more than $36.00 per hour in pay and benefits back in 1946?

 
 
I will take a shot at this one.  I was making more in 2002 than I am 13 years later in 2015.  I earned 12 sick days per year, and if I called in sick - my first day was compensated at 100%.   I could look forward to 7 weeks of vacation in my later years with the company, not just 5 weeks.  I had 10 paid holidays at double time and a half; as opposed to, 5 holidays at time and a half.  I could go on, hopefully you get the idea.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok .......good luck with that  :wacko:

Actually I tried. I made a motion here in MIA and it passed, that was also made and passed in DFW that said the members should be the one's to vote on the International Leaders. It was a long ball that gained very little support and there was a lobbying effort done to get others in multiple Locals to agree. (So where were you guys then?)

The Fleet President in BOS at least advocated to his members who he wanted to support and asked them to agree with him (They did) To me he empowered his members and earned my respect for that.

I think a lot of you guys never even try? (Alot of moan moan moan with no effort?)

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 
I will take a shot at this one.  I was making more in 2002 than I am 13 years later in 2015.  I earned 12 sick days per year, and if I called in sick - my first day was compensated at 100%.   I could look forward to 7 weeks of vacation in my later years with the company, not just 5 weeks.  I had 10 paid holidays at double time and a half; as opposed to, 5 holidays at time and a half.  I could go on, hopefully you get the idea.

Give me one major airline besides SWA that doesn't have the same story? AA, DAL, NWA, TWA, UAL, US. Multiple Unions including your own personal favorite all ramrodded and hammered into give backs, concessions and lost jobs. EVERY single Union on every one of those properties. 

The back and forth on the subject is ridiculous because except for Mr Moneymaker SWA we were all on the same sinking ships. (Some never found a life boat to survive though)

This is a timeline of airlines who have filed for bankruptcy protection. Also see list of defunct airlines for a list of airlines which are no longer operating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_bankruptcies_in_the_United_States

 

[WeAAsles]

Southwest Airlines:

The last survivor..........

 

[swamt]

Everything you have ever said on here has been a lie. Years and years of lies. You're at the point where even you believe your own lies.

Get help Francis. Seek help before it's too late.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_qqlE7ZRBM

I don't need help.  Prove that everything I have said is all lies.  Everyone on here knows you are full of it.  Years and years of lies huh, man you are desperate.  Prove what you are saying or shut the fock up.  Anytime that I have been shown and or proven to have been wrong I have admitted it and thanked the person or persons who were correcting me, and you already know this, but you are now in such a hurry to try and slam AMFA or anyone that supports AMFA in order to keep them out.  Well guess what?  If Overspeed is correct with his post, it appears the cards are fixin to be sent to the NMB.  And when and IF this is the case your postings along with many, many others will greatly increase as you guys will keep getting on here posting lies and mis-truths about AMFA to try your damness to keep AMFA out.  Keep posting your doing a great job for the cause...
 

Two days. Kilbane, Stewart, and Rodgers got the cards prepped and ready to go I hear.

Hope this is true.  Now the fight will come for the organizers to get all the dead and passed employees off the co. provided list, all the sups that will added etc...  Hey guys her's a great question, "wonder how long it might take the co. to get the employee list to the NMB this time?"   Hmmmm.  Will it be another record 4 hours or less?  Or will the NMB use the list that the company already provided when the teamsters applied?  I doubt this as they will want to pad the list a little better this time around.  Let's just see how long it takes the co. to send in the list this time, I will assure you all it will not be the same day like last time.  The "only" way it will be faster than last time is IF the NMB decides to use the existing list already in their hands from the teamsters filing.  It will get interesting from here on out.  Keep up the hard work guys, and get those cards in...

 

[swamt]

Two days. Kilbane, Stewart, and Rodgers got the cards prepped and ready to go I hear.

Is this an indication that they have enough cards?  I can only hope you are right.  Let the members decide who will or who will not represent them.  Thx for the update hope it is all true....

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't need help?  Prove that everything I have said is all lies.  Everyone on here knows you are full of it.  Years and years of lies huh, man you are desperate.  Prove what you are saying or shut the fock up.  Anytime that I have been shown and or proven to have been wrong I have admitted it and thanked the person or persons who were correcting me, and you already know this, but you are now in such a hurry to try and slam AMFA or anyone that supports AMFA in order to keep them out.  Well guess what?  If Overspeed is correct with his post, it appears the cards are fixin to be sent to the NMB.  And when and IF this is the case your postings along with many, many others will greatly increase as you guys will keep getting on here posting lies and mis-truths about AMFA to try your damness to keep AMFA out.  Keep posting your doing a great job for the cause...
 
Hope this is true.  Now the fight will come for the organizers to get all the dead and passed employees off the co. provided list, all the sups that will added etc...  Hey guys her's a great question, "wonder how long it might take the co. to get the employee list to the NMB this time?"   Hmmmm.  Will it be another record 4 hours or less?  Or will the NMB use the list that the company already provided when the teamsters applied?  I doubt this as they will want to pad the list a little better this time around.  Let's just see how long it takes the co. to send in the list this time, I will assure you all it will not be the same day like last time.  The "only" way it will be faster than last time is IF the NMB decides to use the existing list already in their hands from the teamsters filing.  It will get interesting from here on out.  Keep up the hard work guys, and get those cards in...

Dude take a chill pill. I was messing with you. You're a little tightly wound. WT do that to you?

And I think OS was being facetious?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Forget anyone's "take" on it. Forget anyone's "opinion" on it. What anyone "thinks" be it you, me, IAM, TWU, IBT, CWA, or the entire Planetary Population is Irrelevant.

In this Universe, "The end of the story doesn't change."

If there are other parallel Universes then there are probably different endings? Science has yet to prove the existence of Parallel Universes though, so we are left to the one we know exists for us. So again in our Universe   "The end of the story doesn't change."

And that story is a HUGH part of the difficulty you have in getting more people to sign cards. Not meant to be argumentative, but realistic. It's the 800lb Gorilla in the room. It's the biggest reason I wouldn't sign a card and the biggest reason that people you need aren't either. You can paint it however you like that I'm putting AMFA down, but that's ridiculous.

All I'm doing is reminding you what the reality is. "The end of the story doesn't change."
 

OMG! OMG! OMG!
 
"The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change."
 
Do you really think repeating that sad IAM/TWU talking point over and over changes anything?
 
As I said before, Do you seriously think there is anyone here who DOESN'T know how the NWA strike ended? Who here has denied how it ended?
 
You're doing nothing more than regurgitating the same sad anti AMFA crap we've come to expect from the IAM/TWU.
 

All I'm doing is reminding you what the reality is. "The end of the story doesn't change."
 

 
All you're doing is reminding the board the depths of absurdity TWU/IAM posers like you will sink to while peddling your distorted version of reality.
 
Good luck with that

 

[WeAAsles]

OMG! OMG! OMG!
 
"The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change." "The end of the story doesn't change."
 
Do you really think repeating that sad IAM/TWU Dave talking point over and over changes anything? NO.
 
As I said before, Do you seriously think there is anyone here who DOESN'T know how the NWA strike ended? Who here has denied how it ended?
 
You're doing nothing more than regurgitating the same sad anti AMFA crap we've come to expect from the IAM/TWU. "The end of the story doesn't change."
 
 
All you're doing is reminding the board the depths of absurdity TWU/IAM posers like you will sink to while peddling your distorted version of  reality.
 
Good luck with that

Thank you.

"The end of the story doesn't change." has nothing to do with the items I crossed out from your post.

How is the end of the story distorted if it has an end? What changes that if it's the end? I'm not talking about anything in the middle that can be interpreted or debated.

If you reach the end of the road, that's the end of the road at that moment. If someone decides to build more road and you later continue on down it, well now you're moving again. If your road hits the ocean then they can no longer build any more road correct? 

Why is this so difficult for some of you to comprehend?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

"The end of the story doesn't change." has nothing to do with the items I crossed out from your post.

How is the end of the story distorted if it has an end? What changes that if it's the end? I'm not talking about anything in the middle that can be interpreted or debated.

If you reach the end of the road, that's the end of the road at that moment. If someone decides to build more road and you later continue on down it, well now you're moving again. If your road hits the ocean then they can no longer build any more road correct? 

Why is this so difficult for some of you to comprehend?

 
Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that your "The end of the story doesn't change."  chant means nothing.
 
You don't want to talk about anything in the middle or that can be debated precisely because that does bare on the "END" you keep trying to tout - try as you might, you cannot separate one from the other.
 
 
 
Who's Dave?