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I believe as typical that you are giving half-truths.
Labor Loans are just that. The Members voted to have this in the contract many moons ago. Currently the procedure is; you ask for volunteers to be loaned and than go by inverse Seniority. The labor loan will receive appropriate pay. Certain time limits apply. This was discussed in length during the last meetings in Tulsa.
I suppose you all are in favor of Letters of Agreements (Understanding) like they have done at NW. Circumventing the rights of seniority with a stroke of the pen.
Labor Loans are just that. The Members voted to have this in the contract many moons ago. Currently the procedure is; you ask for volunteers to be loaned and than go by inverse Seniority. The labor loan will receive appropriate pay. Certain time limits apply. This was discussed in length during the last meetings in Tulsa.
I suppose you all are in favor of Letters of Agreements (Understanding) like they have done at NW. Circumventing the rights of seniority with a stroke of the pen.
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The TWU currently has more members in the Aviation Profession than in any other division of the TWU.
So?Checking it Out said:
Can you explain how many members of Local 504 are in the "Aviation Profession" yet they are not under the RLA?
How did Zebco workers have a connection with the Airlines?
Just because the TWU threw these other workers into the ATD it does not make them airline workers.
AMFA represents more mechanics than ANY other union.
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CIO thinks he's back in the third grade. " My dad is bigger than your dad."
"My union is bigger than your union."
B.F.D!!!
What has the TWU done for them anyway, besides collecting dues?
TWU REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES: LOWEST PAID IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY! :down: :down: :down: :down:
"My union is bigger than your union."
B.F.D!!!
What has the TWU done for them anyway, besides collecting dues?
TWU REPRESENTED EMPLOYEES: LOWEST PAID IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY! :down: :down: :down: :down:
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TWU represents more members in the Industry than any other groupKen MacTiernan said:
Ken, The key here is...............MORE MEMBERS, TWU represents all, not only those they wish. Im sure it would be much easier to work in a workplace which has what would you like to see...........9 different unions on base? GET REAL.
Do you care about anyone but yourself? If you did, you would want all to be treated the same? How can you not want to represent the lower class? To you, do they not exist? to you dont they expect the consideration as you? WHy does this always have to be onesided? your side or the hiway?
Go ahead, call me communist...........claim you are democratic, GET REAL, democratic takes care of all, not just yourself...........it is true, Another Me First Association.
Its pathetic the way AMFA wants to dictate, an AMT is everyone even plant maintenace, but yet the parts supplier does not exist, the fleet service worker who breaks his back catering to the mechanic does not exist, to me they do
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Again what has the Industrial Union system of the AFL-CIO gained for the members of the airline industry? The AFL-CIO has ignored there constitution.
Article II: Objects and Principles
The objects and principles of this Federation are:
1. To aid workers in securing improved wages, hours and working conditions with due regard for the autonomy, integrity and jurisdiction of affiliated unions.
If they are true to their constitution then they must change the course they have charted for the members of the affiliated TWU at American Airlines. Even in the Preamble to the constitution it does not state that the AFL-CIO goal is to trade jobs for the objectives of Art. II Sec 1.
Preamble
The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations is an expression of the hopes and aspirations of the working people of America.
We resolve to fulfill the yearning of the human spirit for liberty, justice and community; to advance individual and associational freedom; to vanquish oppression, privation and cruelty in all their forms; and to join with all persons, of whatever nationality or faith, who cherish the cause of democracy and the call of solidarity, to grace the planet with these achievements.
We dedicate ourselves to improving the lives of working families, bringing fairness and dignity to the workplace and securing social equity in the Nation. We will prevail by building a strong, free and democratic labor movement.
We will organize workers into unions allied by common purposes and mutual reliance. We will recruit generations of organizers, amass resources to sustain their efforts and inspire workers to achieve dignity and security through organization and collective bargaining. We will generate broad understanding of the necessity of organizing among our members, our leaders and all unorganized workers.
We will give political voice to workers in the Nation. We will fight for an agenda for working families at all levels of government. We will assemble a broad progressive coalition for social and economic justice. We will create a political force within the labor movement that will speak forcefully and persuasively on the public issues that affect our lives.
We will enable workers to shape a changing global economy. We will speak for working people in the international marketplace, in the industries in which we are employed, and in the firms where we work. We will expand the role of unions to securing worker influence in all the decisions that affect our working lives, from capital investment to the quality of products and services to how work itself is organized.
We will establish unions as active forces in our communities. We will make the voices of working families heard in our neighborhoods. We will create vibrant state, local and community labor councils. We will strengthen the ties of labor with our allies. We will speak out effectively and creatively on behalf of all working Americans.
With confidence and trust in the inherent power and goodness of our people and in the virtue and promise of unionism, we proclaim this Constitution.
Article II: Objects and Principles
The objects and principles of this Federation are:
1. To aid workers in securing improved wages, hours and working conditions with due regard for the autonomy, integrity and jurisdiction of affiliated unions.
If they are true to their constitution then they must change the course they have charted for the members of the affiliated TWU at American Airlines. Even in the Preamble to the constitution it does not state that the AFL-CIO goal is to trade jobs for the objectives of Art. II Sec 1.
Preamble
The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations is an expression of the hopes and aspirations of the working people of America.
We resolve to fulfill the yearning of the human spirit for liberty, justice and community; to advance individual and associational freedom; to vanquish oppression, privation and cruelty in all their forms; and to join with all persons, of whatever nationality or faith, who cherish the cause of democracy and the call of solidarity, to grace the planet with these achievements.
We dedicate ourselves to improving the lives of working families, bringing fairness and dignity to the workplace and securing social equity in the Nation. We will prevail by building a strong, free and democratic labor movement.
We will organize workers into unions allied by common purposes and mutual reliance. We will recruit generations of organizers, amass resources to sustain their efforts and inspire workers to achieve dignity and security through organization and collective bargaining. We will generate broad understanding of the necessity of organizing among our members, our leaders and all unorganized workers.
We will give political voice to workers in the Nation. We will fight for an agenda for working families at all levels of government. We will assemble a broad progressive coalition for social and economic justice. We will create a political force within the labor movement that will speak forcefully and persuasively on the public issues that affect our lives.
We will enable workers to shape a changing global economy. We will speak for working people in the international marketplace, in the industries in which we are employed, and in the firms where we work. We will expand the role of unions to securing worker influence in all the decisions that affect our working lives, from capital investment to the quality of products and services to how work itself is organized.
We will establish unions as active forces in our communities. We will make the voices of working families heard in our neighborhoods. We will create vibrant state, local and community labor councils. We will strengthen the ties of labor with our allies. We will speak out effectively and creatively on behalf of all working Americans.
With confidence and trust in the inherent power and goodness of our people and in the virtue and promise of unionism, we proclaim this Constitution.
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You industrial unionists are so magnanomous! You care about EVERY BODY! YEAH RIGHT!MCI AFL-CIO said:
What happened to all the building cleaners, fuelers and cabin service workers that AA used to have. POOF! One stroke of the TWU concessionary pen and PRESTO, gone! I suppose the TWU didn't deem them significant enough for them to represent. LOOK OUT FACILITIES, you could be next!
By the way, when was the last time some fleet service clerk broke his back catering to you?? You're off your rocker!
54.2% and climbing!
Are you truly as stupid or unimformed as you write. The NMB dictates who is in our craft and class. Stores as a result of the twu in 1945 filing for a Stores only election has their own craft and class. Had the twu filed for Stores with the mechanics in 1945, than Stores might have been part of our craft and class, but the twu didn't raid our former union till a year later.MCI AFL-CIO said:
Learn the rules before you write, you might not sound so ignorant.
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Point being is that amfa will always contain more than just mechanics....amfa will always lead the industry in outsourcing.....amfa will always be the leader in job losses...amfa will always have weak organizers....amfa will never debate the true issues with the true debaters...amfa will always be a wannabe union with real-estate leaders...amfa will always follow a guy looking like Alf that has been in power longer than Castro.....amfa will always wish they could have solidarity with other unions as the AFL-CIO!
Are you truly as stupid or unimformed as you write. The NMB dictates who is in our craft and class...*Ahem...then I guess ya need to try another angle in getting your supremacy you so desire.
Have a Daffy Day mah bruddahs..HAHAHAHA
Are you truly as stupid or unimformed as you write. The NMB dictates who is in our craft and class...*Ahem...then I guess ya need to try another angle in getting your supremacy you so desire.
Have a Daffy Day mah bruddahs..HAHAHAHA
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Are you truly as stupid or unimformed as you write. The NMB dictates who is in our craft and class. Stores as a result of the twu in 1945 filing for a Stores only election has their own craft and class. Had the twu filed for Stores with the mechanics in 1945, than Stores might have been part of our craft and class, but the twu didn't raid our former union till a year later.AMFAMAN said:Are you truly as stupid or unimformed as you write. The NMB dictates who is in our craft and class. Stores as a result of the twu in 1945 filing for a Stores only election has their own craft and class. Had the twu filed for Stores with the mechanics in 1945, than Stores might have been part of our craft and class, but the twu didn't raid our former union till a year later.MCI AFL-CIO said:
Learn the rules before you write, you might not sound so ignorant.
Learn the rules before you write, you might not sound so ignorant.
Resortingto name calling so soon? Wow Im impressed, stupid or uninformed? Lets see......No chit NMB makes choice, if they didnt, do you really beleive Fleet would be offered? AMFA sure didnt break theri arms to offer to keep Fleet now did they?
Your a craft and class? Mmmmmm and they arent? Well that certainly sounds one sided now dont it? AMFA if wanted, couldnt offer to support stores, is that what your saying? BS
TEACH ME TEACH teach me the rules, what is it Im not seeing? Im not really seeing AMFA dont want to represent us all?
I guess to you, I will always sound ignorant...................but guess what? there is 2 sides, and from this side you look the same to me
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TWU represents more members in the Industry than any other group
Ken, The key here is...............MORE MEMBERS, TWU represents all, not only those they wish. Im sure it would be much easier to work in a workplace which has what would you like to see...........9 different unions on base? GET REAL.
Do you care about anyone but yourself? If you did, you would want all to be treated the same? How can you not want to represent the lower class? To you, do they not exist? to you dont they expect the consideration as you? WHy does this always have to be onesided? your side or the hiway?
Go ahead, call me communist...........claim you are democratic, GET REAL, democratic takes care of all, not just yourself...........it is true, Another Me First Association.
Its pathetic the way AMFA wants to dictate, an AMT is everyone even plant maintenace, but yet the parts supplier does not exist, the fleet service worker who breaks his back catering to the mechanic does not exist, to me they do
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MCI, AMFA dictates nothing. You know how the NMB DICTATES who belongs in which craft and class. Why are not fuelers with pilots? Why are cabin cleaners not with flight attendants?
As for democracy, the point being made is that AMFA believes in democracy, where as all elected officials are elected by the full membership. Unlike the twu.
You ask me if I care about anyone but myself. Kind of a loaded question but I will answer you since you know my name and I am able to stand up and be counted for my beliefs. I care about "myself" to a certain extent. That being I care about my craft and profession because I am an AMT. I care that those in my craft and class get honest and fair representation in a craft union. I care that my skills and professionalism are compensated accordingly to the responsibilities my profession carries. I also care if my profession is promoted and advanced.
Now, with that being said I also care about other work groups. However, I will not allow other work groups to be compensated at the expense of my profession. Read that any way you wish. I care if the ramp or those outside of my craft and class, as DICTATED by the NMB, get fair wages for their responsibilities. Let them negotiate the best they can. With your arguement of the twu representing all why should their be ANY classifications at work?
I could care less if there are 9, 10 or even 11 unions on property. What I do care about is that since I have a craft I want to belong to a craft union and not an industrial union. Since the NMB DICTATES who belongs where then I will do what I can to represent those included in my craft and class.
What do you mean by "lower class". Do not think that I feel that those outside of my craft and class are any "lower" than myself. I am no better than any man or woman on this planet. The difference is simple. I have a skill and want to be compensated for it. If what I think you refer to as "lower class" as being those outside of my craft and class let them negotiate accordingly as to their responsibilities. I do not believe in socialism.
Now, go ask a pilot or flight attendant why they do not want to belong to the twu.
Ken, The key here is...............MORE MEMBERS, TWU represents all, not only those they wish. Im sure it would be much easier to work in a workplace which has what would you like to see...........9 different unions on base? GET REAL.
Do you care about anyone but yourself? If you did, you would want all to be treated the same? How can you not want to represent the lower class? To you, do they not exist? to you dont they expect the consideration as you? WHy does this always have to be onesided? your side or the hiway?
Go ahead, call me communist...........claim you are democratic, GET REAL, democratic takes care of all, not just yourself...........it is true, Another Me First Association.
Its pathetic the way AMFA wants to dictate, an AMT is everyone even plant maintenace, but yet the parts supplier does not exist, the fleet service worker who breaks his back catering to the mechanic does not exist, to me they do
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MCI, AMFA dictates nothing. You know how the NMB DICTATES who belongs in which craft and class. Why are not fuelers with pilots? Why are cabin cleaners not with flight attendants?
As for democracy, the point being made is that AMFA believes in democracy, where as all elected officials are elected by the full membership. Unlike the twu.
You ask me if I care about anyone but myself. Kind of a loaded question but I will answer you since you know my name and I am able to stand up and be counted for my beliefs. I care about "myself" to a certain extent. That being I care about my craft and profession because I am an AMT. I care that those in my craft and class get honest and fair representation in a craft union. I care that my skills and professionalism are compensated accordingly to the responsibilities my profession carries. I also care if my profession is promoted and advanced.
Now, with that being said I also care about other work groups. However, I will not allow other work groups to be compensated at the expense of my profession. Read that any way you wish. I care if the ramp or those outside of my craft and class, as DICTATED by the NMB, get fair wages for their responsibilities. Let them negotiate the best they can. With your arguement of the twu representing all why should their be ANY classifications at work?
I could care less if there are 9, 10 or even 11 unions on property. What I do care about is that since I have a craft I want to belong to a craft union and not an industrial union. Since the NMB DICTATES who belongs where then I will do what I can to represent those included in my craft and class.
What do you mean by "lower class". Do not think that I feel that those outside of my craft and class are any "lower" than myself. I am no better than any man or woman on this planet. The difference is simple. I have a skill and want to be compensated for it. If what I think you refer to as "lower class" as being those outside of my craft and class let them negotiate accordingly as to their responsibilities. I do not believe in socialism.
Now, go ask a pilot or flight attendant why they do not want to belong to the twu.
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As for democracy, the point being made is that AMFA believes in democracy, where as all elected officials are elected by the full membership. Unlike the twu.
Ken..is it not a fact that , with amfa, if you want to vote out an amfa Int'l rep you put in a request to amfa nat'l.? Then they decide if an action is warranted?? Whereas with the TWU you file a violation has been committed an investigation is automatic..
Correct me if I'm wrong here bud...but the TWU is much more Democratic when used properly...instead of continually bad mouthing the TWU you may want to research...TWU=Democracy!
Ken..is it not a fact that , with amfa, if you want to vote out an amfa Int'l rep you put in a request to amfa nat'l.? Then they decide if an action is warranted?? Whereas with the TWU you file a violation has been committed an investigation is automatic..
Correct me if I'm wrong here bud...but the TWU is much more Democratic when used properly...instead of continually bad mouthing the TWU you may want to research...TWU=Democracy!
PDiddyQuill
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Buck...please show me where amfa is more democratic.
