I'm ready to go AMFA

[Anomaly]

How can you argue with that?

Easy - You don't, Its rhetorical nonsense.

AMFA took over in bankruptcy, and was never in section 6 negotiations at UAL,

But you go on comparing apples to hub-caps if it makes you feel better.

And you keep yourself in denial. You are making more money too.

 

[Anomaly]

Okay, so in your own words...

"...He told me very specifically that SWA was in mediation at the time and there were no private talks about this with the company..."


And now, CEO Parkers testimony at the Arbitration over this issue....

"... CEO Parker testified that the paid lunch was negotiated, and agreed to, in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place in his hotel room
on August 29, 2002. (Parker, Tr. 182, 190)..."


Looks like Clacy lied to you.

Or Parker lied....? The following from your same IAM source,

CEO Parker tacitly admitted that his drafting held the potential for misleading the voting membership into believing that the paid lunch was retroactive. Vice President Sokol heard first hand that the rank-and-file expected paid lunch to be part of their “full
retroactive pay.” Nevertheless, the Company made no effort to communicate the purported intention to make the paid lunch non-retroactive.

 

[Anomaly]

Okay, so in your own words...

"...He told me very specifically that SWA was in mediation at the time and there were no private talks about this with the company..."


And now, CEO Parkers testimony at the Arbitration over this issue....

"... CEO Parker testified that the paid lunch was negotiated, and agreed to, in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place in his hotel room
on August 29, 2002. (Parker, Tr. 182, 190)..."


Looks like Clacy lied to you.

Or Parker lied....? The following from your same IAM source,

CEO Parker tacitly admitted that his drafting held the potential for misleading the voting membership into believing that the paid lunch was retroactive. Vice President Sokol heard first hand that the rank-and-file expected paid lunch to be part of their “full
retroactive pay.” Nevertheless, the Company made no effort to communicate the purported intention to make the paid lunch non-retroactive.

 

[Overspeed]

It seems that the workers at Delta simply have the attitude that "no union is better than having a union", not just AMFA. Didnt the TWU spend over $2 million trying to organize Delta workers a few years back? What about the AFA? They didnt do too good either. And that was AFTER changing the rules to make it easier to get a vote!! If we compare mechanics compensation at Delta to unionized AA is it any wonder why they dont feel they need a union? Hey come join the TWU and take a $20,000 a year paycut, not including the dues. not to worry, with all the extra money Delta will hire more mechanics so you wont get lonely in poverty!! Its pathetic what we've done, its a disgrace to the labor movement.

More like its pathetic what you've done to the labor movement. We already had a deal two years ago that was better than DL and you recommended a no vote. Where is all that money? You got played and now you are upset.

 

[swamt]

Anomaly;

Thanks to WNMECH and Thirdseathero.
Thirdseathero; I forgot about that quote from Parker. Now I remember that flyer flying thru all the stations. And I do belive this is when Parker recieved his new nickname---"Parker-lube".

Here it is again for you Anomaly:

"... CEO Parker testified that the paid lunch was negotiated, and agreed to, in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place in his hotel room
on August 29, 2002. (Parker, Tr. 182, 190)..."

Note the word "testified". Note the phrase, highlighted above, "in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place "in his hotel room"



Now you gotta ask yourself, why did Clacy lie to you?? The teamsters will do anything to keep it's members in the dark.

Keep posting for the teamsters please!! Your still doing a great job!! Your credibility has gone below "0" now. I bet you still support the teamsters don't you?? And as I told you before, "the teamsters (ibt) admitted to this meeting with Parker (in his hotel room) after the contract was done and amended.

Anomaly, the reamsters continually lie and lie to you, you post them here, we all prove you wrong time and time again, yet you still goto them for your infomation. Like I said before; the reamsters will be the fault of themselves not getting voted in at AA.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Or Parker lied....? The following from your same IAM source,

CEO Parker tacitly admitted that his drafting held the potential for misleading the voting membership into believing that the paid lunch was retroactive. Vice President Sokol heard first hand that the rank-and-file expected paid lunch to be part of their “full
retroactive pay.” Nevertheless, the Company made no effort to communicate the purported intention to make the paid lunch non-retroactive.

Having trouble staying on topic I see.

I clearly highlighted your post where Clacy told you that there was "...no private talks..."

Parkers sworn testimony contradicts that when he quite clearly states that ".....the paid lunch was negotiated, and agreed to, inprivate negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold,..."

Your posting Parkers obvious statements on the SWA mechanics being misled in no way changes the fact that private negotiations DID take place.

Here is alittle more from the arbitration case...

"...More than one Company witness testified that the only thing that contradicted the
mechanics’ expectation was an oral agreement between Company and Teamster
representatives that never found its way into the written agreement..."

And this from Chandiramani's testimony ....

"...The proposal that originated from the membership did not exclude paid lunch
from LOA 1’s contractual guarantee of full retroactive pay. (Chandiramani, Tr. 322-23;
Correll, Tr. 253) Nevertheless, on or about August 27th -- the 11th hour of negotiations
for the new tentative agreement -- Sam Chandiramani amended the paid lunch proposal
by providing that it would become effective at the date of signing (DOS).
(Chandiramani, Tr. 322-23; Correll, Tr. 220). According to Mr. Chandiramani, he
explicitly referenced DOS in his revised written proposal to the Company in order to
“entice” the Company negotiators into accepting the proposal. (Tr. 323)...."

The teamsters DID hold private negotiations, and SWA mechanics WERE harmed by it.

 

[Anomaly]

Anomaly;

Thanks to WNMECH and Thirdseathero.
Thirdseathero; I forgot about that quote from Parker. Now I remember that flyer flying thru all the stations. And I do belive this is when Parker recieved his new nickname---"Parker-lube".

Here it is again for you Anomaly:

"... CEO Parker testified that the paid lunch was negotiated, and agreed to, in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place in his hotel room
on August 29, 2002. (Parker, Tr. 182, 190)..."

Note the word "testified". Note the phrase, highlighted above, "in
private negotiations with Chandiramani and Griswold, which took place "in his hotel room"

NOW you remember the flyer

Third Seat Hero got this off an IAM site.

Here is the other part again...

CEO Parker tacitly admitted that his drafting held the potential for misleading the voting membership into believing that the paid lunch was retroactive. Vice President Sokol heard first hand that the rank-and-file expected paid lunch to be part of their “full retroactive pay.” Nevertheless, the Company made no effort to communicate the purported intention to make the paid lunch non-retroactive.

It is clear to me that the fault in this is admittedly the companies. But rather than just accept that the company lied, you choose instead to blame the union and fabricate back door deals. I ask again, how did any of these negotiators gain by agreeing with the company to this deal? If there was a crime (and this would be a crime) was it ever reported to the DOL? Was there a complaint filed?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The quotes are from the Arbitration Case that was held on the matter. The fact that among the places its listed is IAM changes nothing of the subject matter

 

[Anomaly]

The quotes are from the Arbitration Case that was held on the matter. The fact that among the places its listed is IAM changes nothing of the subject matter

Nice spin

 

[WNMECH]

It is clear to me that the fault in this is admittedly the companies. But rather than just accept that the company lied, you choose instead to blame the union and fabricate back door deals. I ask again, how did any of these negotiators gain by agreeing with the company to this deal? If there was a crime (and this would be a crime) was it ever reported to the DOL? Was there a complaint filed?

Why are you trying to hang onto this one single event?
I already told you we never trusted the Ibt because of the way they treated us all along.
Our local was always broke and rife with corruption.
Look up Local 19 trusteeship and J.D.Potter.
This event was only one of many, we just can't prove it. We don't have to, we know how we were treated.
We didn't care for the IBT crap anymore, and voted them out.

Our local now has millions and our dues don't go to support truckers pensions, political donations to groups we as individuals don't care to support, or layers of corrupt union bosses.
We will spend our dues the way we want by voting on it.

 

[TWU informer]

Why are you trying to hang onto this one single event?
I already told you we never trusted the Ibt because of the way they treated us all along.
Our local was always broke and rife with corruption.
Look up Local 19 trusteeship and J.D.Potter.
This event was only one of many, we just can't prove it. We don't have to, we know how we were treated.
We didn't care for the IBT crap anymore, and voted them out.

Our local now has millions and our dues don't go to support truckers pensions, political donations to groups we as individuals don't care to support, or layers of corrupt union bosses.
We will spend our dues the way we want by voting on it.

Grasping for a personal attack or attaching to one single event like a leech is all the industrial unionist have.
There is nothing else to grasp and there is no record of success for them to defend.

Thank You for being here and helping us at AA.

 

[Kev3188]

AMFA was so good at NW that the DL AMTs jumped at the chance to get represented by AMFA...NOT! They looked at AMFA and their record and said thanks, but no thanks. No union is better than AMFA.

No, they likely looked at the fact that NW AMT's were working under imposed terms and said, "now's not the time."

On the other side, you had (mostly) scab AMT's who:

Clearly had no interest in organized labor
Who had clearly shown that greed/self interest were their primary drivers, and took the $$ and ran.

My guess- and it's only that- is that with the entire group now aligned on pay/benefits, the outcome would be different.

It seems that the workers at Delta simply have the attitude that "no union is better than having a union", not just AMFA. Didnt the TWU spend over $2 million trying to organize Delta workers a few years back? What about the AFA? They didnt do too good either. And that was AFTER changing the rules to make it easier to get a vote!!

The TWU campaigns were prior to the NW merger. The last campaigns for ground employees (ramp, res, gate, etc.) were done by the IAM, which had represented NW employees. AFA lost their fight to represent the F/A's, but are still trying to do so. The IAM is also vying to represent them as well...

Its pathetic what we've done, its a disgrace to the labor movement.

All I can say is that the TWU's actions don't make it very easy for the rest of us activists at other carriers...

 

[Anomaly]

Why are you trying to hang onto this one single event?
I already told you we never trusted the Ibt because of the way they treated us all along.
Our local was always broke and rife with corruption.
Look up Local 19 trusteeship and J.D.Potter.
This event was only one of many, we just can't prove it. We don't have to, we know how we were treated.
We didn't care for the IBT crap anymore, and voted them out.

Our local now has millions and our dues don't go to support truckers pensions, political donations to groups we as individuals don't care to support, or layers of corrupt union bosses.
We will spend our dues the way we want by voting on it.

Since Local 19 is in Houston, can I presume you are a member of Local 18??

According to the Department of Labor, you have never had millions......

Union Reporting History​

542-857
AIRCRAFT MECHANICS ASN IND LOCAL UNION 18
SUITE 512
9001 AIRPORT BLVD.
HOUSTON, MO 77061



Below lists all reports filed for this union. Scroll down to see a list of available attachments (including constitution and bylaws filed for that organization.
Select All Date Received Filing Type Fiscal Year Total Assets Total Liabilities Total Receipts Total Disbursements Total Membership Mar 22, 2012 LM-2 2011 Report $852,571 $0 $347,589 $628,486 687 Mar 25, 2011 LM-2 2010 Report $857,121 $0 $275,707 $256,493 677 Mar 29, 2010 LM-2 2009 Report $837,691 $0 $385,490 $309,621 702 Mar 26, 2009 LM-2 2008 Report $761,819 $0 $328,345 $180,506 718 Mar 26, 2008 LM-2 2007 Report $618,822 $0 $291,842 $132,767 601 Mar 26, 2007 LM-3 2006 Report $468,902 $0 $225,363 $69,808 598 Mar 26, 2008 LM-2 2006 Report $459,744 $0 $268,101 $112,546 598 Apr 12, 2006 LM-3 2005 Report $313,347 $0 $201,165 $95,302 535 Apr 05, 2005 LM-2 2004 Report $207,484 $132,058 $207,335 $129,581 503 Mar 30, 2004 LM-3 2003 Report $115,730 $0 $170,110 $54,380 582

 

[WNMECH]

Since Local 19 is in Houston, can I presume you are a member of Local 18??

According to the Department of Labor, you have never had millions......

Union Reporting History​

542-857
AIRCRAFT MECHANICS ASN IND LOCAL UNION 18
SUITE 512
9001 AIRPORT BLVD.
HOUSTON, MO 77061



Below lists all reports filed for this union. Scroll down to see a list of available attachments (including constitution and bylaws filed for that organization.
Select All Date Received Filing Type Fiscal Year Total Assets Total Liabilities Total Receipts Total Disbursements Total Membership Mar 22, 2012 LM-2 2011 Report $852,571 $0 $347,589 $628,486 687 Mar 25, 2011 LM-2 2010 Report $857,121 $0 $275,707 $256,493 677 Mar 29, 2010 LM-2 2009 Report $837,691 $0 $385,490 $309,621 702 Mar 26, 2009 LM-2 2008 Report $761,819 $0 $328,345 $180,506 718 Mar 26, 2008 LM-2 2007 Report $618,822 $0 $291,842 $132,767 601 Mar 26, 2007 LM-3 2006 Report $468,902 $0 $225,363 $69,808 598 Mar 26, 2008 LM-2 2006 Report $459,744 $0 $268,101 $112,546 598 Apr 12, 2006 LM-3 2005 Report $313,347 $0 $201,165 $95,302 535 Apr 05, 2005 LM-2 2004 Report $207,484 $132,058 $207,335 $129,581 503 Mar 30, 2004 LM-3 2003 Report $115,730 $0 $170,110 $54,380 582

Wrong.

IBT Local 19 moved to Houston from grapevine tx after we booted them.
I am in Dallas in AMFA local 11.
We got the cash.

 

[TWU informer]

Trusteeship Imposed on Texas Local





Mon, 07/05/1999 - 00:00


IBT imposed a trusteeship Jun. 18 on Local 19 in Grapevine, Tex. J.D. Potter headed Local 19 who was disqualified from holding office for campaign finance violations and was a running mate of IBT boss James P. Hoffa. The justification for the takeover was the local leadership's failure to adequately serve the members. Louisville, Ky., Local 2727 boss, Joe Darmento was named trustee and Local 19 business manager Mike Ellison, deputy trustee. IBT spokesman Bret Caldwell said the decision to move against a former campaign slate member shows that the Hoffa administration is prepared to take action regardless of the local leadership. "This is not politics," he said. "We're here for the members." Potter also faces pending IRB charges of lying to election officials and IRB investigators about his campaign contributions. [BNA 6/22/99]