I'm ready to go AMFA

[TWU informer]

Your quote;
Posted Today, 11:16 AM #70

Our local now has millions....

Why are you so obseesed with the "millions"?
Are you one of the known crooks that likes to steal the funds, and your mouth is watering speaking about dollars?

 

[WNMECH]

Sorry about fact checking every word, but your side has been doing the same thing to me.

I will not argue your amended position, but still ask the question; With all your officers serving as paid employees of Southwest Air, and subject to airline policy and discipline, do you see a conflict of interest?

No I don't.
We are all AMTs, doing the same job.
Nobody is above anyone else and we all have the same objectives.

It works just fine.

 

[Anomaly]

Same thing happens at AA, including international reps

Not at the IBT. I prefer having a rep who is NOT employed by the company he is arguing with.

 

[WNMECH]

Why are you so obseesed with the "millions"?
Are you one of the known crooks that likes to steal the funds, and your mouth is watering speaking about dollars?

That is one reason that I would like to see AA have their own local.
I know that they will be able to build up a much bigger nest egg and will have more funds than us, but we started at zero and built it up ourselves. We have complete control of that money now.

That being said, we would still probably help fund a new local to get them started.

 

[TWU informer]

Not at the IBT. I prefer having a rep who is NOT employed by the company he is arguing with.

You mean one of those APPOINTED/UNELECTED/UNACCOUTABLE rejects?

Hell the IBT has already offered Business Agent jobs to more than one previous removed Line Presidents in a desperate attempt to get AA Line AMT's to support the REAMSTERS.

Just what we need, another already failed us leader being paid off to be an IBt business agent.

Screw THAT!

 

[WNMECH]

Again, however, amfa tries to hide this by mixing up their abbreviations. They are now listed as FAAM under the DOL. Fraternal Aircraft Mechanics Association??

Whatever....

AMFAs books are completely open and transparent to its members at every meeting.

You think an acronym change means we are hiding something ?
From who?

Whatever.

 

[WNMECH]

You mean one of those APPOINTED/UNELECTED/UNACCOUTABLE rejects?

Hell the IBT has already offered Business Agent jobs to more than one previous removed Line Presidents in a desperate attempt to get AA Line AMT's to support the REAMSTERS.

Just what we need, another already failed us leader being paid off to be an IBt business agent.

Screw THAT!

I agree.

I see more problems with guys who don't have to work under the same work rules that they negotiated for us.

I'll keep our system.

 

[xUT]

AMFAs books are completely open and transparent to its members at every meeting.

You think an acronym change means we are hiding something ?
From who?

Whatever.

Making mountains out of mole hills in order to deflect the major issues.
It;s the razzle dazzle; wash, rinse and repeat.
B) xUT

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Not at the IBT. I prefer having a rep who is NOT employed by the company he is arguing with.

Really? Well I prefer to have a person who is elected by the membership and an employee of the company because that person will understand what the membership wants/needs. It's called accountability. Stay with the teamsters, we are going with AMFA.

Go AMFA!

 

[Buck]

millions, a number between 1,000,000 and 999,999,999

It is obvious that millions is more the one million. So the statement is correct.

 

[WNMECH]

millions, a number between 1,000,000 and 999,999,999

It is obvious that millions is more the one million. So the statement is correct.

Thanks Buck.

 

[Vortilon]

Not at the IBT. I prefer having a rep who is NOT employed by the company he is arguing with.

I prefer having somebody who will eventually end up working under whatever work rules, and pay they negotiated! It's called: "incentive to do better"!

 

[swamt]

I don't even think you know if these filings show our unions total assets.
But I can't make them out.
Since I an not our local treasurer I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but at all union meetings the numbers are shown and gone over for all to see.
Your numbers do not represent how we are doing financially.
I will let SWAMT post exact numbers if he wants, but don't think it is for non members to know exact numbers.

SWAMT, do you recall when we went over our first million in local assets?

I know this responce is late so I opologize for the delay. Going by memory here; I believe it was in late 08 or early 09. I remember being impressed by the short time it took us to get to the million mark. I was expecting it to take between 5-10 years to hit it, and as you can see we did it under 5.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

What backdoor deals? Do you mean getting the company to off set your Local expenses by up to 1 million dollars? (That way you can have more money to pay off the National Director). Yup, amfa did that.

The membership is part of the process and votes on the finished product. Here at UAL the Teamsters brought back a contract that they new (or at least should have known) would be turned down. We had some very decent negotiators in the rank and file team that new the right thing to do. When the company gave an offer that was supposedly the best they could do, the negotiation team brought it o the membership for a vote even though many of them turned it down themselves.

It is my personal belief that having observers and open negotiations tells the company that there is simply no faith in the union. Not necessarily a proper show of power.

Anomaly

Having open negotiations allows the members to feel that they are part of it. Has nothing to do with trust in the union which represents you. The more each of us knows about the process and what is being said at the table by both sides we as AMT's will understand. The concept that is AMFA has grown within the ranks of AMT's Why did we here at AA get seperate locals? Why did we get seperate negotiations? (even though for me that was a trick F%$k.) Since the same people negotiate for ramp as well as AMTs.

We don't know how its going to work at AA since the TWU here has kept the members heads in buckets so long with lies. There is NO Fight in the memebership here. NOW that AA and the BK judge have shredded our contract, are we happy? "NO>>
WE as a total membership voted it in I understand that, so we have to live and work under this TA for approx 6-10 yrs.

There are some here at AA who get attacked for trying to bring change. The TWU has out lived itself here at AA. Its time to try something else. Just like UAL had the IAM/AMFA and now the IBT. We will see after the intergration is complete there if they stay with IBT or vote them out and switch again. That is the Democratic process we just want here at AA.

When AMFA gets in here at AA it will be up to US at AA to make it work. WE all have opinions as to what we want. We will have a say and that is all what AMT's in the industry want Today.

 

[Anomaly]

I don't even think you know if these filings show our unions total assets.
But I can't make them out.
Since I an not our local treasurer I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but at all union meetings the numbers are shown and gone over for all to see.
Your numbers do not represent how we are doing financially.
I will let SWAMT post exact numbers if he wants, but don't think it is for non members to know exact numbers.

SWAMT, do you recall when we went over our first million in local assets?

Again, you do not have to be the financial secretary to understand how your dues dollars are spent. Just go to the Department of Labor web site to find out exactly. I posted directions before, but in case you missed it, here it is again.

You can find out just how little assets this amfa has by visiting

http://kcerds.dol-es...OrgQryResult.do

Once at this DOL site, find the tab Union Name by Abbreviation and go to the down arrow.

AMFA apparently likes to make it difficult to look up information and often changes the abbreviation. They are now listed as FAAM-AIRCRAFT MECHANICS ASN IND. They are listed near the top. Leave the rest of the sheet blank (no check marks) and click the submit button at the bottom of the page.

The next page will show you a results table and will have all the locals and amfa national. Just find the amfa local and tax year you want to research and click the highlighted link.

For a more detailed report click on the corresponding LM2 filing. This is a great way to see all the failed mortgage backed securities purchased by the amfa real estate association.