IAM WINS!

[robbedagain]

will they make a ruling then as to whether or not the there will be a ban and if the forgery is in fact true

 

[Rogallo]

Ask Carnac the Magnificent....

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You do realize if you vote no and the association vote fails, you will be non-union with no contract?

700UW

If we Vote No to the assoc. of the IAM/TWU the NMB will ask the members of the IAM to get signatures from AA mechanics to request a vote.Unless they agree to become TWU. What happens if there is at least a 50%+1 card count the NMB will conduct a vote between the TWU and the IAM. At that point the AFL-CIO no raid clause will be nullified. meaningless.

No way will we be without a contract and we wont be NON union.

If we get a vote with that circumstance happening we will hope that the IAM mechanics will join us the TWU mechanics who want the industrial unions out of our class and craft, and write in AMFA, thus getting rid of the IAM and the TWU with one fell swoop.

I am Glad that the IAM mechanics voted NOT to bring the IBT into USAir.

I am glad that they had the smarts to realize the mistake it would of been for them long term. They have suffered enough, over the yrs and have lost as much as we have here at AA.

I want to say THANK YOU to the mechanics at USA for making the right choice.

 

[700UW]

Go ask your reps or the NMB, if you vote no you will be non-union.

 

[AANOTOK]

Go ask your reps or the NMB, if you vote no you will be non-union.

Questions for the TWU/IAM Alliance

Q: Will the members have only two choices when the Alliance election is held?
A: Most likely, yes. When the Association applies for representation the choices will be for the Association or no union, unless an outside union intervenes and appears on the ballot.

 

[swamt]

Questions for the TWU/IAM Alliance

Q: Will the members have only two choices when the Alliance election is held?
A: Most likely, yes. When the Association applies for representation the choices will be for the Association or no union, unless an outside union intervenes and appears on the ballot.

This very same discussion is also going on in the US thread. So I just copied my response to someone else trying to claim the TWU/IAM Q and A. The membership better not just believe what the TWU/IAM post as factual info when they are the 2 groups trying to get you all to vote for them, you guys need to write, e-mail, fax, and text the NMB to get your answers. At this point the TWU and IAM will tell you guys anything to get you to keep them both as an association after the merger. Remember they will do ANYTHING to keep AMFA from getting on the ballot, and I think there is a way and they do not want you guys to figure it out so they are saying that you will be "no union representation" unless you vote for the new TWU/IAM employ assoc. Don't fall for it guys do your own homework, contact the NMB and get the correct answers. Here is the same post I posted in the US thread where they are being told the same thing by the same group:--- " I would not trust the TWU or the IAM when they say that the up coming employee association vote is either yes to the association, or it's no union. Sounds like a scare tactic to me by the 2 unions involved with trying to scare the entire membership of both sides to vote into this association. I think it is more like yes for the assoc. or no for the assoc.. If the final is yes, then you all will be in the new employ assoc. If it is no then the NMB will have to call for an election between TWU and IAM.
Tell you what, have the membership ask both the TWU and the IAM to put it in writing what the real options are and sign it that it is as they put in writing, bet they won't do it..."

 

[boresight]

700UW

If we get a vote with that circumstance happening we will hope that the IAM mechanics will join us the TWU mechanics who want the industrial unions out of our class and craft, and write in AMFA, thus getting rid of the IAM and the TWU with one fell swoop.

AMFAinMIAMI,

Going off the write in vote at US Air, it seems like I'd be wasting my vote on a write in if it comes to a representation vote at AA. With less than 0.2% of votes, our counterparts, who don't have OH, made a large and resounding no. I hear that Tulsa OH is solid TWU, so what do we do? Thanks

 

[iluvaa]

Then they better not bring the assoc. thing to a vote cause I'm voting no end of story

 

[700UW]

So you want to be an employee at will with no contract and be at AA's beckon call?

 

[swamt]

So you want to be an employee at will with no contract and be at AA's beckon call?

700, no disrespect, but I find it very hard to believe that 2 separate unions can come together joining forces and have a vote which is either union representation or not union representation. This is just a guaranteed vote from all the members from both unions to vote yes?? I don't think this can happen. If it can then this crap has to get changed. The vote should be yes for new assoc. or no for against the new assoc. If they vote for it then they will all be part of the new assoc., if they vote against it then they will all be represented by the current carriers unions, TWU @ AA, and IAM @ US. Then the NMB would have to call for an election to see who will prevail when they combine as one. I just cannot believe that 2 unions could come together and this kind of a vote could end up leaving the memberships non-union. I will take the time and contact the NMB and will post results, HOWEVER; on a side note, big news from DOJ: DOJ is vigorously pushing to block merger, saying "even if they decide to carve out concessions and give up slots, they cannot approve the merger". We may not have to even worry about this assoc. There very well could be no merger to worry about who will represent who, so this subject is on hold for now...

 

[BigMac]

So you want to be an employee at will with no contract and be at AA's beckon call?

Practically already are.

 

[700UW]

700, no disrespect, but I find it very hard to believe that 2 separate unions can come together joining forces and have a vote which is either union representation or not union representation. This is just a guaranteed vote from all the members from both unions to vote yes?? I don't think this can happen. If it can then this crap has to get changed. The vote should be yes for new assoc. or no for against the new assoc. If they vote for it then they will all be part of the new assoc., if they vote against it then they will all be represented by the current carriers unions, TWU @ AA, and IAM @ US. Then the NMB would have to call for an election to see who will prevail when they combine as one. I just cannot believe that 2 unions could come together and this kind of a vote could end up leaving the memberships non-union. I will take the time and contact the NMB and will post results, HOWEVER; on a side note, big news from DOJ: DOJ is vigorously pushing to block merger, saying "even if they decide to carve out concessions and give up slots, they cannot approve the merger". We may not have to even worry about this assoc. There very well could be no merger to worry about who will represent who, so this subject is on hold for now...

Per a GLR from the NMB its an up or down union vote, a vote for no is a vote for no representation at all.

 

[1AA]

We do not want this association. If we vote no association then the twu and iam lose lots of $$$$$$$$. There will be choices. The two unions are not that stupid. They can always back off the entire association thing and leave things the way they are.

 

[767 mechanic]

You do realize if you vote no and the association vote fails, you will be non-union with no contract?

So what you are saying is that the twu and the iam have been in collusion together to put this so called association together in order to put the membership in harms way. By creating this association the iam and twu are blackmailing the membership into voting yes. Either this is what is going on or you are a Liar. You have lied on these forums before so why not continue. SO WHAT IS IT COLLUSION OR LIAR??????????????

 

[Real tired]

We do not want this association. If we vote no association then the twu and iam lose lots of $$$$$$$$. There will be choices. The two unions are not that stupid. They can always back off the entire association thing and leave things the way they are.

No merger. No Association.

Good luck to you and your fight with the IBT and the TWU.

At least we know our fate as of yesterday. We stay IAM. For now............