IAM WINS!

[TRAVIS]

So what you are saying is that the twu and the iam have been in collusion together to put this so called association together in order to put the membership in harms way. By creating this association the iam and twu are blackmailing the membership into voting yes. Either this is what is going on or you are a Liar. You have lied on these forums before so why not continue. SO WHAT IS IT COLLUSION OR LIAR??????????????

I VOTE BOTH!!!

 

[Anomaly]

robbedagain as I have said this is a no lose situation for the AMT's even though the IBT did not win the IAM has been put on notice that it needs to get it done or they are done and they know that now!
The IAM right now can look at the numbers and see that out of the 4376 eligible to vote the IAM won with only 43.5% and the IBT had 32.4% out of the total eligible voters and around 25% did not even vote that is only a 11% win margin.
If the IAM did not have the pension to hold over the heads of the membership they would be out the door today.
So even with my union preference not winning it's still a win in away for the AMT's even tho I think the IBT would have gotten us more than what the IAM will.

Don't count out the IBT yet!! AA is still in play. We will have to wait and see what the NMB has to say real soon.

And that's my take on this mess robbed and for you boys that thought I was going to run and hide.
I am STILL HERE.

swamt I see you boys got 00.18% at US........
Have a nice IBT day

CHEW TOBACCO SPIT!

I don't think enough emphasis was put on the mere 8 (eight, ocho) votes that the amfa supporters managed to write in on the ballot.

Your kidding me. That was it? 8?

After all the hype from swamt and others on this board, it is incredibly obvious that other than 8 lost souls, nobody bought the snake oil.

8 votes for amfa

Now that's a victory.

 

[700UW]

The election was the IAM and the IBT, not AMFA.

And the IAM soundly defeated the reamsters.

 

[swamt]

I don't think enough emphasis was put on the mere 8 (eight, ocho) votes that the amfa supporters managed to write in on the ballot.

Your kidding me. That was it? 8?

After all the hype from swamt and others on this board, it is incredibly obvious that other than 8 lost souls, nobody bought the snake oil.

8 votes for amfa

Now that's a victory.

Put AMFA on the ballot at US against any of the industrial unions and there will be a very different outcome. The TWU,ibt, and IAM all know this, hence the collusion by the unions AND the company to keep AMFA off the ballot at AA so the company can keep their current union that just loves to agree to concessions with the company and never put up a fight. The ibt/teamsters failed overwhelmingly at US. The ONLY reason US still has IAM is because they did not want the bottom of the industry union to come in and make it worse. The IAM won this election by a few percentile points over 50%, really nothing to brag about. What you guys at US need to watch for is the following; The election at AA between ibt and TWU will not be called due to forgery and fraudulent collection of cards, as well as they challenging of the eligibility list by the TWU, after all this is finalized and worked out there will not be enough cards to call for an election, OR, the NMB will simply deny an election due to the illegal activity sponsored once again by the ibt/teamsters corrupt actions. Once there is no election called for at AA, the TWU and IAM will start their process for the new "employees association" election to be held. With all the antics, collusion, illegal activity, and behind close door deals being done by the TWU and IAM the mechanics at AA will overwhelmingly vote this assoc. down. Then if and when there is a merger, and the NMB calls for an election between the TWU and IAM you will see just how powerful the "write-in" option will be. There was no "write-in" campaign at US. The only "write-in" campaign that was talked about happening was going to be at AA if there was an election called for. Now there is still a very slight chance the ibt get's their way and the NMB calls for an election (and I hope they do) if this was to happen then the "write-in" campaign will take off at AA. If this happens, and AMFA gets on the run-off election, then AMFA will prevail and the IAM will then be history at AA after merger and new election held between AMFA (majority at AA) and IAM at US. I still do not believe what some on here are putting out that if you guys were to have an election for this employ assoc. that it's yes for the assoc. or no for non-union representation. This sounds to me to be another tactic by both the TWU and IAM to scare the membership into voting to stay union which means they would have to vote for the assoc. in order to stay union, really don't think so. It should be yes for assoc. or NO against the assoc and then everyone goes back to there repective union representations. I will be contacting the NMB myself and post the results, HOWEVER, I am not US or AA, if I were you guys I would be flooding the NMB about this. Do your homework guys, otherwise you get what you deserve for being lazy...

 

[700UW]

58% of the vote and it was won by 485 votes, thats is a crushing defeat.

 

[swamt]

700, do you have any documentation that supports what you have been saying? Something other than from the IAM or TWU just stating that it's a yes vote for the assoc., and a NO vote would means non-union? If you do please provide it. I am contacting the NMB on this issue to get the answers. In no way am I calling you a liar, or even saying you are wrong, however, I think your getting your info from the IAM and they will say anything to keep this assoc. thing intact. Please provide information, and I will share mine from the NMB. Thx

 

[700UW]

I got the info from the International and it was backed by the NMB.

You have to remember the same thing happened with CWA/ibt association.

You have to also remember that this isnt a normal representational election, there were no cards signed to call for the election,normal rules dont apply.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

700, do you have any documentation that supports what you have been saying? Something other than from the IAM or TWU just stating that it's a yes vote for the assoc., and a NO vote would means non-union? If you do please provide it. I am contacting the NMB on this issue to get the answers. In no way am I calling you a liar, or even saying you are wrong, however, I think your getting your info from the IAM and they will say anything to keep this assoc. thing intact. Please provide information, and I will share mine from the NMB. Thx

SWAMT

This is just a opinion of mine but, I think the ballot for a joint assoc. between the TWU and the IAM will be something sent from each intl. I don't think that unless any union files with the NMB the NMB will be involved with this at ALL. The NMB does not get involved with internal company agreements if employees sign off on it.

This was drempt up by the TWU/IAM/AFL-CIO to prevent the loss of either and the dues that are generated from each carriers employees. Here at AA it would be a loss of $7.2Mil. dollars tough nut for them to walk away from.

I am glad the IAM sent the IBT packing and it a good thing since the IBT is the worst of all the industrial unions.

This all may be mute if the DOJ with its anti-trust investigation and legal filing to stop the merger goes thru.
Lets hope that the employees of both carriers just don't suffer from the fall out since LOTS of $$$$$ has been spent already.

 

[700UW]

The election is going to be held by the NMB, because the certification will go from the IAM and the TWU to the alliance.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If the US/AA merger somehow survives the DOJ lawsuit, then there will be an election for representation once A Single Transportation System on the combined carrier is established for a specific craft.

AMFA or any other intervenor will have 30 days to file once the NMB determines STS.

 

[1AA]

30 days to file? How does Amfa get 6000 plus cards signed in 30 days?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

30 days to file? How does Amfa get 6000 plus cards signed in 30 days?

Thats 30 days to file, not 30 days to collect cards.

If you believe the merger will stand, you should be collecting cards and resigning them as necessary. When the NMB finds the combined airline is a single transportation system for the mechanics craft, you'll have 30 days from that point to file cards.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

FYI

If you believe the merger WILL NOT stand, and that the ibt has filed short, you should still be collecting cards.

The ban on filing after losing a representational election is 2 years

The ban on filing after a showing of insufficient interest (not enough cards) is 1 year.

 

[700UW]

Just got it confirmed, this is what the NMB will have on the ballot for the association vote:

Yes for the association

No union

Other

 

[1AA]

Other sounds like a AMFA write in for me. I hope that my fellow amt's dont do a knucklehead move and write in the corrupt teamster. Too far down the road to see if this will even happen.