IAM Stepping Up campaign

[WorldTraveler]

yes, I do get that it is an active employee decision, not mine and not yours.

I agreed to walk away if you and the other union propaganda pushers do.

but you can't and I know you won't.

thus, I stay.

if unions can't educate their members to make the best decisions, then what is the value?

I don't suppose you would call those members low information or bamboozled.

 

[robbedagain]

notice how josh showed up here but never did after IAM M&R and FSA got TA   simply amazin how some peeps just cannot let go of the past...

 

[WorldTraveler]

if this were the domain of active DL employees and them alone, then it would be obvious if Josh is here.

but there are only a couple active DL employees who are currently and actively participating in this discussion and 700 and weAAsles are not them.

 

[700UW]

yes, I do get that it is an active employee decision, not mine and not yours.

I agreed to walk away if you and the other union propaganda pushers do.

but you can't and I know you won't.

thus, I stay.

if unions can't educate their members to make the best decisions, then what is the value?

I don't suppose you would call those members low information or bamboozled.

Propaganda?

Who are you Joseph Goebbels?
 
The only propaganda is what you spew from Ford and Harrison, now e-mail Gerry and come up with something new.
 
See the IAM puts out factual information, as they know F&H and Delta will try and pick apart everything put out.
 
So try again.

 

[700UW]

if this were the domain of active DL employees and them alone, then it would be obvious if Josh is here.

but there are only a couple active DL employees who are currently and actively participating in this discussion and 700 and weAAsles are not them.

And neither are you.
 
You collect a pension check from a frozen pension fund.
 
You WALKED away from Delta, a decision you probably regret as your posts on here show that with your obsession with Delta on every message board and every post.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I left when I was ready to, 8 years after I told my bosses that I wanted to pursue something new, step down from one position only to be promoted again.

I gave DL more than 20 years of my life and they continue to show their appreciation for my contributions.

Other than noting that we are both outsiders regarding the decision that DL's active employees alone will make regarding unionization, I don't care what you did or that you have any interest in what I have done.

I have fully acknowledged that the representation decision is best left to active DL employees, particularly in their own job category.

I am happy to leave that discussion to them as long as others will do the same.

I don't practice unilateral disarmament.

 

[700UW]

Keep telling yourself that, but no matter how many times you tell yourself and others something, doesnt mean its true.
 
You are an outsider, you are not an active employee, you dont go to work, you dont contribute anything that adds profits to Delta.
 
You walked away, and yet you chastise Eric for walking away from AA for more money and a better opportunity.
 
Thats what I call someone who is acting like a hypocrite.
 
You are gone, and an outsider, you have no vested interest in Delta anymore except your flight benefits and a frozen pension check.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you don't have ANYTHING of any financial connection to DL.

your sole interest is to push a union agenda - and from the IAM you do or will get a pension check. (it is worth noting that Kev will as well since NW participated for a short time in the IAM pension plan)



the only hypocrite is you who can't grasp that either we are both out of the discussion or I will stay in. I'm not walking away and leave the discussion to anything but active DL employees.

You can't keep your nose out of a discussion which should be left to active DL employees.

when you walk away, I will too.

 

[700UW]

Union Agenda?
 
Nope, I am just providing facts, DL's own employees who are seeking union representation, dont have an agenda, nor do I.
They want a CBA with set rules, wages, scope, benefits, etc...
 
They want fairness and respect in the workplace.
 
And as a trade unionist for over 20 years I have vast knowledge and experience, see I can think for myself, unlike you who repeats the same anti-union talking points provided by Ford and Harrison, its the same buzz words that anti-union people like yourself repeat over and over and over.
 
And like I said, you have no interest, so why are you here posting anti-union venom to those employees who seek out information and representation about unions, something you really dont have experience about, you repeat the same crap that anti-union folks have been spreading for years.
 
So if you say Delta and yourself are pro-choice, what you are and delta here posting anti-union information and why is Delta spending millions to stop the union drive?
 
And once again, why is it ok for Anderson and the executives to have contracts, but not rank and file employees?
 
Care to answer this?
 
I have only asked it several times, yet once again you ignore it.
 
And you are not an active DL employee, so why dont you keep your nose out of it and practice what you preach?

 

[737823]

Did the NC, the GL or the DL ratify the CBA?
 
 
Nope that would be the 70% of UA members who voted.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
And what about the scope in the TA at US?
 
One flight a day, keeps it a mainline station and staffed.

Only among stations currently staffed, not stations they IAM allowed US to outsource before.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The IAM didnt allow stations to be outsourced, its called two chapter 11 filings in less than two years.
 
But once again you know this, and yet leave those facts out.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so the tools at the disposal of the labor movement can't overcome what mgmt. wants to do?

we've heard the chapter 22 excuse so many times...

how many years has it been since US emerged from its last BK?

I have answered your questions a million times... you just don't like the answers.

If DL people want a union, they'll vote one in all by themselves. They don't need you filtering information and telling them how great a job the IAM has done when the results are quite the contrary and plain to see.

see, I told you that you wouldn't like it.

truth nonetheless.

 

[700UW]

You do realize it was US and the IAM's first section 6 negotiations since 1999, and the average CBA takes four years to negotiate under the RLA.
 
The law is made to prevent the disruption of interstate commerce.
 
And Kevin has pointed out to you many many times, that PMNW employees fared way better than PMDL employees, a fact you keep neglecting.
 
And US was on the verge of chapter 7 in both cases, so the unions survived to fight another day, and now that day has come and paying off.

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, I have shown Kevin that, in aggregate, a lower percentage of DL employees were laid off in BK than were at NW.

The only reason why the IAM represented groups at NW did better than their DL peers is because AMFA led 5000 mechanics out the door in a completely failed strategy that played right into NW mgmt.'s desire to cut maintenance costs and rid the company of a union. it also helped NW's board dramatically in their attempt to merge the company to DL; not surprisingly, the DL mechanics have shown virtually no interest in unionizing.


And I have also noted that DL and NW's labor costs per ASM were IDENTICAL at the time of the merger. DL and NW used very different strategies to get to the same point but to argue that one airline's people were better off than the other in terms of costs to the company is factually wrong.

 

[700UW]

And did you count the scabs that NW hired to replace the striking workers?
 
Economically and scope wise the NW employees did much better than DL, and how many got laidoff at DL with Leadership 7.5?