IAM Fleet Service topic

[P. REZ]

700UW,

No it wasnt, the loan was sold off by the ATSB, then US financed it with GECAS, then borrowed money from other banks and paid off GECAS, the loan is still on the books.


You are correct, my bad. The point I was getting at was while we were AWA, the company had to stay within restrictions of the ATSB loan or risk repaying the full amount. Now, those restrictions are gone and wouldn't affect negotiations the way they did before.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[700UW]

There are some restrictions on the current loan(s) but not as restrictive as the ATSB loan was.

 

[giantfan]

Also your quotes recently don't have the posters monicker, in o-man's
quote, looked to be from JPN. Are you trying to find a kink in his posts'. He's one of the posters
who tells it like it is and yet you seem to be looking for something. Just ask him for his faults
I'm sure he'd let you know. One of mine is apparently pointing out others.

perv,

I don't know what this means. Am I trying to find a "kink"? No....I think my posts speaks for itself. I respect O-man, I really do, I'm sure he can take care of himself. I just pointed out the inaccuracies I saw in his post. Just as ppl try to do with mine. I don't think we are suppose to be posting about posters themselves, just their ideas. Touchy.....

 

[giantfan]

So if a guy on the west that has a family needs insurance and is now making 12 bucks and hour going to say 14 bucks an hour if this TA is ratified he will make an extra 320.00 a month. Then the company insurance costs you 316.00 bucks, the westie ends up with a whole 4 dollar raise!

WOW what a good deal!
[/quote]


another exaggeration......AGAIN I PAY $99/month for family coverage.

 

[P. REZ]

700UW,

There are some restrictions on the current loan(s) but not as restrictive as the ATSB loan was.

While in negotiations before TWU backed out the restrictions on our negotiations were nil. My guess is in these transition talks that it was not mentioned as an issue?

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[mlr]

take note westies if you are a yes vote ..... this information just in from the same inside sources that brought you the successful cic debacle , the " there is a better deal coming" geniuses, and the "you better have at least 10 years to keep your job and 20 years to stay where you are at" chicken littles .... it seems that now it might take at least 30 years to keep you job after the guaranteed merger that will take place in a heart beat after this vote occurs ..... Doug Parker in secret has been developing fleet service ramp robots to out source most of , if not all, the west cities.... these ramp robots appear to have the abilities and intelligence of a slightly retarded chimpanzee so DP feels there might actually be a vast improvement of services over many of the current hubs in operation. Again, this information is as reliable as some of the other tidbits of info coming from the " you better vote no or Armageddon will strike" crowd.

 

[roadtrip]

So if a guy on the west that has a family needs insurance and is now making 12 bucks and hour going to say 14 bucks an hour if this TA is ratified he will make an extra 320.00 a month. Then the company insurance costs you 316.00 bucks, the westie ends up with a whole 4 dollar raise!

WOW what a good deal!



another exaggeration......AGAIN I PAY $99/month for family coverage.

For the Sh!t plan 80/60 is 99

For the best plan 100/90 is 316 a month

I went with the best plan for the west for the example they would deserve it

 

[isthisok]

So if a guy on the west that has a family needs insurance and is now making 12 bucks and hour going to say 14 bucks an hour if this TA is ratified he will make an extra 320.00 a month. Then the company insurance costs you 316.00 bucks, the westie ends up with a whole 4 dollar raise!

WOW what a good deal!



another exaggeration......AGAIN I PAY $99/month for family coverage.

That is for 80% in network and 60% out of network coverage.
My wife was diagnosed with lung cancer two years ago and if I hadn't had 100% coverage we would have to have filed bankruptcy by now.

 

[The Bagfather]

Attention All Fleet Service Members, IAM Officers, and all those knowledgeable…
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And … Freedom…

As a man of self proclaimed conceptualization talents...

MR Billy: No one has better "self proclaimed conceptualization talents"
than me. Then comes jester then freedom.

One of the most interesting parts of the UA contract is that ,and I believe
it is in reference to mergers, is the place where it says NO UA ramper
can be laid off. But the details are fuzzy to me because I am mainly
concerned with obtuse conceptualiztions. But you smart and organized
guys out there bring it on. (Mike33: The surf is too big for you. It's
time to paddle in and report to your brothers and sisters here on the web)

 

[giantfan]

That is for 80% in network and 60% out of network coverage.
My wife was diagnosed with lung cancer two years ago and if I hadn't had 100% coverage we would have to have filed bankruptcy by now.

There is no question that 100% is the way to go for a catastrophic illness. My point is that the copays and a lot of other stuff is the same whether you have 80, 90, or 100.

 

[mlr]

So if a guy on the west that has a family needs insurance and is now making 12 bucks and hour going to say 14 bucks an hour if this TA is ratified he will make an extra 320.00 a month. Then the company insurance costs you 316.00 bucks, the westie ends up with a whole 4 dollar raise!

WOW what a good deal!

OK.... this is for the people here who still can still see clearly and have half-way decent math skills and who sometimes read these posts and the numbers spewed out and might actually believe the information is accurate and not mis-leading....

This postee cleverly shows with his brilliant math and biting sarcasm how moronic it is for the west to vote yes because it would only be a $4/mo. raise if you selected the insurance policy which he states is the best available. Of course he makes a couple of assumptions that are a bit deceptive....

First off .... the basic TWU pay scale is as follows: Beginning Year 1-3 $9.00 10 $12.65
4 $9.24 11 $13.62
5 $9.59 12 $14.21
6 $9.83 13 $14.45
7 $10.17 14 $14.95
8 $10.51 15 $15.20
9 $11.68
No one is at $12.00........the year 9 employee @ $11.68 would go to $16.22.... let's see, take the 2 ...ummm...carry the something or other and ummmmm....you get a $4.54/ hr which is $786.93 more a month before taxes of course.... ( and there are 52 weeks in a year, not 48 ... so that $320 by his figures is really $346.67, so he got that wrong too.) ... a year 10 employee @ $12.65 goes to $17.40 which would be $823.33 more a month. ( before taxes).....wow...what a good deal!.... but wait there's more!.....aforementioned postee somehow thinks that out west they get that max coverage for free, so he takes his inaccurate figure of $320 more a month income, then plugs in that $316/ month for ins. as if you are paying nothing now......um, now I don't know the exact figure that an employee w/family is paying but I know it's more than zero and probaly at least close to $150/mo if not more. So using aforementioned postee's own inaccurate numbers it would be $320 - $150 = $170.00 more a month ... not $4 but as I have already shown the raise being voted on is substantially more than what many here would have you believe. But wait again ....there's even more......even if aforementioned postee was still right about the $4/mo. raise ( which he wasn't).... he seems to think that health ins only goes up when a raise is voted in.....news flash---- whether anybody gets a raise or not, ins. is going up, so if a westie didn't vote himself a raise ( which would be stupid ) that raise helps defer their increased costs so---- that is a plus $4 instead of a possible minus $50.......

So, on the fence voters, .....don't fall into the speculations, the misinformation and rumor-this and rumor-that that these scare tactic posters love to use...... go with the facts in front of you.....not the what ifs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here's your very own United Airline Board of Director on your side of the table.
The "Axis of obstruction"

See if you can spot the "Axis of Obstruction" on the United Airlien Board of Directors.

United Airline Board of Directors

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Jester]

MR Billy: No one has better "self proclaimed conceptualization talents"
than me. Then comes jester then freedom.

BF,

I take great exception to your unfair characterization as no one is more prone to bombastic sophistry than I. Now promise that you will not allow your ISP shadow to cast upon this forum again and I shall forgive you for all that you have posted.

As I have been taking a self-imposed trip to the cornfield (and of the belief that Sir Roabilly as expressed people have made up their minds on the matter), I have noticed a certain desperation within the "No" voters as to think there is a real possibilty of the T.A. passing. PHX will be a big "Yes" and my sources in LAS are saying that that will pass by a large margin too (although my source tells me that the Easties are aloof and keeping to themselves... must be those buttoned-down, blue and white pinstripped work shirts). Giantsfan makes a great deal of sense, even as a 30-year Eastie, but with the benefits of maturity in understanding the current business environment. I hardly think Giantsfan is alone in the matter, but rather part of the silent majority within the East stations.

Will be a close vote and only a matter of turn-out. If larger numbers turn out, then "Yes" will pass.

So Prognosticates Jester.

 

[mike33]

MR Billy: No one has better "self proclaimed conceptualization talents"
than me. Then comes jester then freedom.

One of the most interesting parts of the UA contract is that ,and I believe
it is in reference to mergers, is the place where it says NO UA ramper
can be laid off. But the details are fuzzy to me because I am mainly
concerned with obtuse conceptualiztions. But you smart and organized
guys out there bring it on. (Mike33: The surf is too big for you. It's
time to paddle in and report to your brothers and sisters here on the web)

BF

You're right, i'm getting old. Got dropped in on 3 times this morning. This is what I posted last week but it got lost in pages real quick.

So you think it might be UA huh.................well if it is and the IAM website has good info than check this out on Ramp/stores agreement. I must admit it says tentative but It's the only one on the site. You have to look at it from the site IAM141.ORG to see it an how its layed out.

Summary Comparison of Company Proposal and Tentative Agreement


Furlough
Protection
"Agreements prevent lay off of any
employee on the payroll as of
1/26/94 for any reason."

POW!!!!!!!!! maybe we can forget about displacing anyone at UA that was on the payroll as of 1/26/94...........FOR ANY REASON

Please.....someone tell me I'm reading this wrong?................ This can be found under IAM141.org under UA Ramp/Stores on the right side of page.

 

[orioleman]

prez,
"I can't say I know what a row home is. I have lived west of the Mississippi since age 10 and Fla. before that. Sunny and a mild 96 degrees today."

did you ever watch archie bunker.. Perv is archies neighbor . they lived in row homes.....