IAM Fleet Service topic

[JoeDirt]

We in the east basically have two dates. One is your date of hire(DOH). The other is our adjusted date. The adjusted is used to bid your schedule, vacation and to determine furloughs. You get half credit for the amount of time you were part time.

 

[necigrad]

Joe Dirt, it's pretty much the same for us, but PT accrues the same as FT. I could be FT from day one, but a ramp classmate that was always PT would be senior to me if they were older.

Bagfather, adjusted seniority is your seniority adjusted (obviously! 😀 ) because of leaves or employment status. If you go out on disability for longer then FMLA protected you should (I think) stop accruing senority. You have 12 weeks of FMLA leave. If you were out for 13, your DOH would remain the same, but your ADOH would be 1 week later. There are several employees from the early and mid 90's that af adjusted dates as well due to being temps. They hired on as temporary help, but when they went to regular that's when their ADOH is. You also find it when someone transfers into Fleet from another department.

 

[The Bagfather]

I was aware of all that. It seems to me the only controversial
type would be PT to FT or visa versa. I think it was sometime
before the TWU was voted in that the crosstrained people
had to make a choice. A lot of really good CSR's chose
the ramp. But they still got their DOH seniority. What's
the current TA say about it. Lemme guess: Current seniority
rules, no retroactive DOH. Then from now on that sticks?

On another subject; Our nominations vote in SAN was declared
null and void along with about ten other stations. One
observer told me that the hope was that these stations would
protest and thereby give Canale more time in power.

We called the Local to ask what happened. I don't understand
how the whole thing went down but UA AGC Verne L. is implicated
in the mess. Hopefully if this is true he'll be gone in two years.

It's actually quite hillarious and definately another nail in the coffin of
the Canale Regime. I really don't even dislike any of these guys
let alone hate them. Why don't they understand what's happening.
I think they need to relax and maybe hire somebody to tell them
what reality is. They need to stop being so defensive. But instead
they continue to blast ahead with their head in the sand.

Sometimes I do see some validity in their position. But then
they get caught like this latest example in what appears to be
at the least unethical behavior. And what about the thinly
veiled threat of " rolling" the west into the east. Then they
come out with the explanation for this which speaks nothing,
absolutely nothing. of the issue; can the IAM role the west into
the east contract? Freedom here's a question for you or P. Rez
If you asked that question to all the PHX rampers(or any west
ramper for that matter) how many of them would A. even know
what that means and B. believe they could do it?

Ive lost it. I admit I'm sitting here typing to myself. It's past
bedtime. See you and take care rampers and union guys
of all persuasions.. BF

 

[700UW]

I dont think any organized group goes by DOH if you transfered into a new department from a differant one.

 

[P. REZ]

The Bagfather,



DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH
In fact so much so DOH that I bet most westies don't even know what
your talking about when you bring this up. They've never even had a thought
of any other possibilty.

I thought you were from SAN. You are either an east guy or junior because there are many senior west agents with adjusted seniority dates. I myself was hired 11-10-86 but my seniority date is 5-16-87. Since the mid 90's or so it has been DOH.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[P. REZ]

The Bag Father,

Sometimes I do see some validity in their position. But then
they get caught like this latest example in what appears to be
at the least unethical behavior. And what about the thinly
veiled threat of " rolling" the west into the east. Then they
come out with the explanation for this which speaks nothing,
absolutely nothing. of the issue; can the IAM role the west into
the east contract? Freedom here's a question for you or P. Rez
If you asked that question to all the PHX rampers(or any west
ramper for that matter) how many of them would A. even know
what that means and B. believe they could do it?


Hey BF my opinion is that the IAM could not roll the west into the east contract. I believe they would need the west to vote. I also don't believe if this TA were voted down and they were going to roll us into the east BK contract that Canale would make that decision before June 3rd or that would be political suicide.

Most people in PHX believe that Canale would roll the west into the East BK contract based on what has been said by RR. I have been warning PHX employees that some scenarios that have been put out there by Tim Nelson, Joe Dirt, O-man etc. could happen. I don't think most people believe the negative side of this merger will play out. For their sake I hope it doesn't.


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[Rook]

Hey everybody,
Just a few things to point out please go these links and read yourself.
This T/A goes thru and then the merger look at what goes!!
LOOK UNDER FURLOUGH PROTECTION



http://www.iam141.org/PDF/United/UAL.SUMMA...Phase%20III.pdf

http://www.iam141.org/PDF/United/UAL.SUMMA...Phase%20III.pdf

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Rogue
What date does the west use? Do they go by DOH or do they have an adjusted date?

Joe,

The west goes by DOH. It doesn't matter if they are full or part time. A 4/2/08 part-timer is senior to a 4/3/08 full-timer for all bidding purposes, and furloughs. PERIOD.

Rogue

 

[orioleman]

freedom,
you harp on the 60 day rule. READ it again. do you understand what

"prior to OEI" means. (operational employee intergration).. the 60 day rule with

those three words in it . render the 60 day rule useless. after OEI . Ask P rez if you are unsure

He is very knowledgeable about contract lingo.

 

[freedom]

ok o man , i'm looking at the

company to union final offer doc on the IAM 141 web page but i don't see much listed in the way of the sixty day rule , am i looking in the wrong document ?

 

[cltrat]

freedom,
you harp on the 60 day rule. READ it again. do you understand what

"prior to OEI" means. (operational employee intergration).. the 60 day rule with

those three words in it . render the 60 day rule useless. after OEI . Ask P rez if you are unsure

He is very knowledgeable about contract lingo.

O man he has been too busy becoming an expert in labor law to understand his station will be ravaged by a merger wonder if his "brothers and sisters" understand that

oh wait didnt he say he had enough seniority to survive? so I guess what happens to the brothers and sisters he works with doesn't matter

 

[N965VJ]

US Airways maintenance instructors ratify contract
Thursday, May 1, 2008 - 9:12 AM EDT
Charlotte Business Journal

US Airways Group Inc.'s maintenance instructors have ratified a new contract.

The workers are represented by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

The agreement, which covers 40 employees, establishes new wages. The contract runs through 2011.

It is the third agreement the union has reached with US Airways in less than one month.

The carrier recently reached a tentative pact with its 7,700 ramp and baggage-handling employees. That agreement is slated for a ratification vote next week. And mechanics and related employees ratified a new unified contract last month.

Link

 

[freedom]

O man he has been too busy becoming an expert in labor law to understand his station will be ravaged by a merger wonder if his "brothers and sisters" understand that

oh wait didnt he say he had enough seniority to survive? so I guess what happens to the brothers and sisters he works with doesn't matter

eh , it could happen , nothing i can do about it right ? oh wait no! i'll go down to corp HQ and have a chit chat with doug P and i'll tell him i'm not so sure i like this whole merger idea ...

Then doug will look me in the eyes and go "you know what my friend , your right , if this merger could in any way negatively affect you then it simply can't be allowed to happen "

Then he'll pick up the phone call united and tell them the deals off ..

do you get my point there cltrat ?

 

[freedom]

Oman, with the United merger, I dont think anyone is going to PHX. I think PHX will be done as a hub without question. DEN, LAX, SFO are United babies and when capacity cuts come I would think PHX will be on thin ice. Any United merger IMO would put CLT at risk since IAD has alot of the same runs. A yes vote makes it incredible easy for United to piss all over US AIRWAYS fleet. You will have nothing. Nothing United will need from you. A No vote keeps cards in your pocket.

{so on and so forth }

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

tick tock CLT ... tick tock.... as of now the 60 day rule is still in effect as i understand it.... if we merge you can expect somethings to happen , first their will be cut backs , but if the west hasn't rolled into your contract then you'll only be able to run to east cities , of course thou , by that time the company could have already put an end to all hiring ... meaning you will have nowhere to go .. meaning the 60 day rule will come for you ....

at least with the new TA , we are all SURE that there is no more 60 day rule .

if by cards he means the COC ... then i think that pocket has a huge hole in it ....but it's always nice to throw hope and sunshine around!

 

[orioleman]

freedom,
article 7 bullet point 3

" employees currently on invol furlough for 60 days shall forfeit all pay date seniority except that an employee is recalled to the station
from which he was furloughed prior to OEI will be placed in the pay scale consistent with their pay date seniority at date of a furlough.

Now where do you fall after OEI You guessed it day one pay..

question

do you guys not have copys of the t/a,

I see you reference the website alot .. if you need copys I can get them out to you . they should be posted and available in all your

break rooms.