Henderfuzz
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So where does this agreement for M/R leave us now? Anyones guess Im sure but I would say were screwed again. Our NC better get there Axx in gear and get us an agreement we can live with.
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roabilly
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Henderfuzz....
It's it way to early tahh tell....
Let M&R tear it apart....
(Watch their thread)
If it's substantial, they will be inclined tahh overwhelmingly vote fer it.
If it's marginal, (like I think)... It'll be split.
If it Sux...You'll see their board light up like tha fourth ahh July!
Canale PROMISED a member, in person no less, that there IS a helping hand agreement, it IS in writing, and he WILL send it to that member. That was in early Feburary. That member is still waiting. Maybe Canale needs to figure out how to use Word, or perhaps he's still practicing how to sign Hemenways signature for the letter. Or maybe he's just a flake.
Districtforce
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Our mechanics are separate from fleet and although it's not popular for me to say this, fleet can't expect some of the things that our mechanics just gained. Does fleet have a liscense? Did fleet give up decades of contract gains?
Your negotiations team needs to support Randy Canale instead of holding out for things that will increase the cost of the company in a way that will make it uncompetitive. Randy Canale has the experience to know how to negotiate a contract and he isn't going to kill the golden goose. What then? Home Depot? Don't be impressed with the 142 highlight sheet when it comes out and think fleet is entitled to some of the benefits that 142 gained. Apples and oranges.
Remember, and this is important, the M & R gave up decades of gains and fleet gave up a much smaller portion.
As I've said before, this industry is wobbly and now is the time to live to fight another day. With oil at record highs, your company must stay competitive and be attractive enough to find a merger partner. You want $20 an hour, then you better pick up a Home Depot application also. You want full sick pay? extra vacation? extra holidays? double time? Everyone does, including Randy Canale, but mergers are going to happen. Those left out of mergers will be gone, those that merge will be able to position themselvs through this recession and high oil cost.
Fleet would have been wise to support Randy Canale and accept the tentative this past September. I understand there would have been significant job loss for the west in that tentative but the return was a 22% wage boost for those west members who stay active.
cltrat
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please continue your mindless braying you just help us to be even more solid in getting rid of Boss Canale and his cronies like yourself
redeye
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If what you are saying is true and the Mechanic group received gains when the transitions by your words are supposed to be cost neutral, then what you ask amounts to treason. If you are an officer in the IAM do not let out who you are, for the group will certainly hunt you down.
If you do not feel we deserve our "fair share" then step aside because you do not represent the group.
We refuse to be pawns in your game. You work for us not the opposite.
pjirish317
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districtfarce,
You sound like a true canoli kiss-a#*. Canoli wants our support. We will gladly give him our support, when he admits that he dropped the ball with the West's section 6, and pursue it now. Heck it's been over 2 years, the West should have been able to ask for a "cooling off" period by now, and possibly strike. Why was Section 6 not pursued along with transition negotiations?. He sided with management so-to-speak. When he admits that maybee we will respect him then, I doubt it though. The only experience that canoli has is management and BOD experience, not negotiating a "fair and equitable" contract. He readily opens the concession stand for the company. And if this company were the "golden goose" as you say, then why not fair scope, wages and benefits? Fleet was wise to vote no on the September T/A. We will not sell out anymore. No more judge mitchell to abrogate the CBA, and pretty much force us to vote yes to keep this union. Did you forget that, Fleet voted this POS CBA in to keep representation. So why don't you represent. It's what you are payed to do isn't it? BTW that 22% pay boost you speak of, we lost about 48% with all the concessions we took in BK2. So your 22%, was not even half of what we gave up in BK2. and it sux. IMO. Get us better benefits, wages, scope, keep the CIC and profit sharing, and we might vote yes. Untill then you are just PIS*ING IN THE WIND, and barking up the wrong tree. You are on here to try to get Fleet Service to accept another concessionary CBA. Why do we have to give up anything? So we saw your 22% for what it was worth. SQUAT! Get us back to industry standards!
mike33
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We all know what we have and what we don't have. You don't have to come here and tell us anything. You are not one of us, period. You don't know who we are and where we've been. You're that wiff in the air when it's hogg feeding time.
"I understand there would have been significant job loss for the west in that tentative but the return was a 22% wage boost for those west members who stay active."
Thats the most honest thing you've said in all your posts'. Your time is almost up! What the hell does "stay active" mean? If your trying to say "not layed off" then just say it. We would have more respect for you, but you can't be honest. Your better than us.
"mergers are going to happen. Those left out of mergers will be gone"
So add up all the field station members, including those not on the list, and you probably got your no votes for whatever they present to us. We're coming for you all soon enough!
You are the Grim Raper. You take but have never given back. Make it worth our while and maybe a christmas card might be in order.
NAH!!!!
The Bagfather
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It was a 22% pay raise for about 15% of the workforce. And less the
negatives it comes out to about a 12% payraise for !5% of the workforce
for most it was a wash. Especially in real dollars.
I suggest you, as roabily says, go back over to the M&R and do your
crowing there. Those are the people who are going to vote on your
wonderful TA. Roach says it all when he calls it a good contract
under "the most difficult conditions". Which translates to a bad contract.
If the conditions are so "difficult" then please get some integrity and
admit now is not the time. If the company is not motivated wait
till they are, instead of dooming M&R and FS to contracts which
pay 50 cents on the dollar. Your effort to save the IAM in Canale's
image is just about over. I don't think the company will come to your
rescue allthough it would be in thier interest to do so.
It really comes down to what the individual considers fair. And IMO
what you espouse has nothing to do with fairness ,or reason for that
matter, but is only self serving for your own deluded purposes.
You need to wake up. The more you come on here with these
disingenuous rants the more people are motivated to get rid of you.
Thank you BF
negatives it comes out to about a 12% payraise for !5% of the workforce
for most it was a wash. Especially in real dollars.
I suggest you, as roabily says, go back over to the M&R and do your
crowing there. Those are the people who are going to vote on your
wonderful TA. Roach says it all when he calls it a good contract
under "the most difficult conditions". Which translates to a bad contract.
If the conditions are so "difficult" then please get some integrity and
admit now is not the time. If the company is not motivated wait
till they are, instead of dooming M&R and FS to contracts which
pay 50 cents on the dollar. Your effort to save the IAM in Canale's
image is just about over. I don't think the company will come to your
rescue allthough it would be in thier interest to do so.
It really comes down to what the individual considers fair. And IMO
what you espouse has nothing to do with fairness ,or reason for that
matter, but is only self serving for your own deluded purposes.
You need to wake up. The more you come on here with these
disingenuous rants the more people are motivated to get rid of you.
Thank you BF
JoeDirt
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I want you to explain why.
Why should fleet not expect some of the things that the mechanics just gained? Please enlighten us.
You say "live to fight another day" we have been told that before and that day has arrived. The fight is on.
Why are we not entitled to full sick pay?
Why are we not entitled to more vacation?
Why are we not entitled to more holidays?
Why are we not entitled to double time?
What does having a license (correct spelling) have do do with the above mentioned questions? We are not asking for the same pay as the mechanics.
How long do we have to be a member of the IAM to earn a decent contract? What time frame are you talking about?
The highlighted statement speaks volumes. We marshall around multi-million dollar aircraft and are responsible for the correct loading of these aircraft. Do you not think that we are worth at least $20 an hour? If Home Depot can pay that to someone that does not have the responsibility we have then we are worth at least that if not more.
Explain if you can.
freedom
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District force , while I agree with you about the state of the economy and the fact that we can’t simply shut our eyes to the recession , I disagree with your suggestion that the best thing we can do right now is to bend over and let the company give it to us …
Personally I’d like to see a more flexible contract that has certain triggers that fire if the economy goes north or south .
Personally I’d like to see a more flexible contract that has certain triggers that fire if the economy goes north or south .
Henderfuzz
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Im kinda with freedom, what we need is for our NC to go back and bargin in good faith to get a good T/A. Start with the Sept one and make a few adjustments. Give and take, such as give up the profit sharing, but keep COC, or keep the profit sharing and give up COC.
I know many of you wont agree but this is most likely the type of things we may have to do in order to gain a new deal. I also think if the company is so willing to outsource than only agree to allow fewer small stations to be outsourced but change it so that if a certain amount of flights return than the must rehire fleet. I also think the sicktime deal should be changed but use a formula that allows you to bank time again that can be used as you see fit but if you go below so much than you dont get paid. That way you can control it yourself.
19. 50 to 20.00 is what the rate should be and not implemented over a 18 months or whatever.
We didnt take the cuts in 18 months why should it take that long to regain it.
As far as section 6 for the west, thats just a waste of time and money.
I understand the frustration on the west, remember I work with a lot of those guys, and Im sorry but I think going toward section 6 for the west would most likley lead to a lot of layoffs and maybe even station closings.
So IMHO we need to be pushing our NC to get a deal and make it fair.
I know many of you wont agree but this is most likely the type of things we may have to do in order to gain a new deal. I also think if the company is so willing to outsource than only agree to allow fewer small stations to be outsourced but change it so that if a certain amount of flights return than the must rehire fleet. I also think the sicktime deal should be changed but use a formula that allows you to bank time again that can be used as you see fit but if you go below so much than you dont get paid. That way you can control it yourself.
19. 50 to 20.00 is what the rate should be and not implemented over a 18 months or whatever.
We didnt take the cuts in 18 months why should it take that long to regain it.
As far as section 6 for the west, thats just a waste of time and money.
I understand the frustration on the west, remember I work with a lot of those guys, and Im sorry but I think going toward section 6 for the west would most likley lead to a lot of layoffs and maybe even station closings.
So IMHO we need to be pushing our NC to get a deal and make it fair.
cltrat
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District Farce
looks like you need to go rally the troops over at M & R, the boys don't seem to impressed with their TA agreement
not that I believe you are M & R any more than you are fleet.you are here merely to pass out the Canale kool aid much like shocker does perhaps you are even the same person.
if so come June just like your boss you'll be looking for work
looks like you need to go rally the troops over at M & R, the boys don't seem to impressed with their TA agreement
not that I believe you are M & R any more than you are fleet.you are here merely to pass out the Canale kool aid much like shocker does perhaps you are even the same person.
if so come June just like your boss you'll be looking for work
The Bagfather
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You know I really have no clue as to what whoever DF
Could even be one of us trying to stir the pot. At any rate
that screen name is probably ready for retirement.
So here's my latest ultimatum to the company Negotiators
(As if I had the slightest influence). FS will not come to the
table and discuss anything until both PHX and LAS get an immediate
across the board $2.00 hr pay raise.
There isn't a person on earth who wouldn't think that's fair.
However there's just one little detail which might make the
company flinch a little. Then they would lose the ability
to leverage a work force gutted of any dignity by a pathetic
wage scale enabled by MR Steven R. Canale and his band
of thieves. Thanks BF
Could even be one of us trying to stir the pot. At any rate
that screen name is probably ready for retirement.
So here's my latest ultimatum to the company Negotiators
(As if I had the slightest influence). FS will not come to the
table and discuss anything until both PHX and LAS get an immediate
across the board $2.00 hr pay raise.
There isn't a person on earth who wouldn't think that's fair.
However there's just one little detail which might make the
company flinch a little. Then they would lose the ability
to leverage a work force gutted of any dignity by a pathetic
wage scale enabled by MR Steven R. Canale and his band
of thieves. Thanks BF
freedom
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Here Here!!!!! You tell those SOB’s !!!If we don’t get that two dollar raise we will CONTINUE to provide you with cost savings until we wear you out from having an over abundance of money to spend !!!
You hear that hemmingway! We will make you gorge yourself on caviar and fine wines until one day you wake up ,look in the mirror and go … I can’t go on like this anymore!!!
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