IAM -- Fleet Service Thread 2/29-3/7

[Black Magic]

Dougie wants to sing about how US Airways has such a good balance sheet (2nd in the industry actually) But the real reason they have that much money is because they have the cheapest labor costs in the industry.

 

[wings396]

I dont understand the sick policy the NC proposed as it appears to be going backwards and the 60 day rule will still affect those who are on furlough now. The small west cities are being timebombed and doomed if I am reading everything correctly. This is not the company proposal, I am reading this from the NC proposal and it has been stated as fair and modest.

You are correct, it all goes backwards...to the tune of 20 years, or so. And yes those who are furloughed as a result of their stations being outsourced, are still getting screwed a bit more. It's not bad enough that we were sacrificed by the IAM to begin with, and 2 years later they won't even try to help us out. Any and all small West stations will be outsourced as soon as possible, and you can bet the farm on that one.

 

[mike33]

edited by MIKE33 because I found the Fleet version below.............

 

[west fleet]

Thanks Wings, I wasnt sure if I was reading it right. I could understand if this came from the company but not from our union and NC. I read on a previous thread that it was a fair proposal, what would have happened if the company said ok ?

I just cant believe some of this stuff, thanks again for clarifying.

 

[mike33]

Here is the Fleet " Helping hands " ageement but not called Helping Hands.


DISTRICT LODGE 141 ( DATED 7/06/2006 )
FINAL INTERIM TRANSITION AGREEMENT


Interim Transition Operating Period
A.
The Interim Transition Operating Period is defined as the period beginning
immediately following the effective date of this Agreement and ending upon
Operational Employee Integration, which will be defined in the Final Transition
Agreement. Terms of the Interim Transition Operating Period are those as provided
for herein as defined in paragraph C below.
B.
The respective Fleet Service employees of America West Airlines and US Airways
will remain separate during the Interim Transition Operating Period, except as
provided for herein, and the US Airways employees will continue to be employed by
US Airways and governed by the terms of the IAM Fleet Service collective
bargaining agreement and the America West employees will continue to be
employed by America West and continue to be governed by the terms of the
America West Fleet Service TWU collective bargaining agreement and
administered by the IAM & AW.
C.
At current airport locations where America West and US Airways have flight
operations and Fleet Service employees, the following Interim Transition Period
Operating provisions may apply:
1.
Employees of each respective carrier will continue to perform normal covered work
under the terms of their CBA for all work associated at their respective carrier except
that fleet service employees of either carrier may, at the direction of the Airline
Parties, assist employees of the opposite carrier as needed. This language will not be
used to cover employees from either carrier who are normally scheduled to work,
but are absent in lieu of calling overtime. An absence is defined as any time an
employee is not at work. 2.
Should there be any reduction of the workforce in accordance with the terms of
the US Airways / America West collective bargaining agreement at a station /
location, the company will be prohibited from using the assistance exception in
paragraph (1) above at that station / location. There shall be no reduction in force
of Fleet Service employees directly as a result of implementation of the above
provisions. This provision does not restrict the Company from implementing a
reduction due to any other reasons, including but not limited to, flight schedule
changes, force majeure, technology or any other reasons beyond the Company’s
control.

 

[mike33]

Further research on helping hand and east guys working west planes in cities that never had west agents. Its basically like we are a contractor working those flights much like we do when we work express flights.
So I doubt theres much that can be done about those cities.
We do have times when its used At DFW as well but its a rare occassion and most guys are very reluctant to do it. I would like to see it end though.

The final final was DATED 9/01/2006....as follows...with a little change..

C.
At airport locations where America West and US Airways have flight operations and
Fleet Service employees, the following Interim Transition provisions will apply:
1.
Employees of US Airways and America West will continue to perform normal
work under the terms of their respective CBA except that the Airline Parties may
direct fleet service employees of either carrier to assist employees of the opposite
carrier.
The Company will not utilize mandatory overtime for employees to perform work
of the other airline.
2.
Should there be any reduction of the workforce in accordance with the terms of the
US Airways/America West collective bargaining agreements at a station/location
utilizing the provisions of paragraph C.1 above, the Airline Parties will be
prohibited from using such assistance at that station.
D.
During the term of Interim Transition Period should America West have Fleet Service
vacancies in DEN, MCI, MKE, MSP, PHX, SAN, SEA, then (prior to hiring new hire
employees) such vacancies will be made available to furloughed East Fleet Service
employees from the same station as the vacant position.


From IAM141.ORG website under usairways. All proposals are listed to the right in blue.

 

[mike33]

Their have recently been situations in LAS where the east employees have gone home for the night and there needs to be planes remoted in, and the west agents are forced with threats of insubordination and termination if they dont remote the east a/c into the gate.

NevadaHP
Would this part of the agreement apply to ur station when people go home ?




"Employees of US Airways and America West will continue to perform normal
work under the terms of their respective CBA except that the Airline Parties may
direct fleet service employees of either carrier to assist employees of the opposite
carrier.
The Company will not utilize mandatory overtime for employees to perform work
of the other airline."

ALSO:

"Employees of each respective carrier will continue to perform normal covered work
under the terms of their CBA for all work associated at their respective carrier except
that fleet service employees of either carrier may, at the direction of the Airline
Parties, assist employees of the opposite carrier as needed. This language will not be
used to cover employees from either carrier who are normally scheduled to work,
but are absent in lieu of calling overtime. An absence is defined as any time an
employee is not at work."

 

[diogenes]

Fleet contracts have enough 'gray' in them to paint a battleship. This language is sadly, typical of the porous language D141 negotiates.

The way I read it, with few exceptions, management can cross-utilize east/west employees.

This is one reason the company is in no hurry to get to the bargaining table with a meaningful offer. They get de facto employee integration without paying for it.

Given D141's history with US's bad faith prior to the HP merger, to allow this language in a transition agreement speaks volumes.

D141 isn't stupid. They're in on it.

 

[Henderfuzz]

I can see my topic has spured a lot a talk here and Im glad to see the reponses.
Now you have some idea what we deal with in these stations where we have duel ops.
This is just the tip too. Theses stations are run on a single budget so the hireing is just nuts.
We work so short here that you would not believe it. We use to have contract cleaners here for the east. They did away with them becasue the west did there own. Do you think they hired more guys to take care of that? No they didnt they, told us we had enough to do it.
Its things like that, and every day it just gets worse.
We all should make ourselves aware of our contract and what is going on out here, dont just isolate yourselves to where you are. Our Union needs to find a way to bring us all together some how some way.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Ramp Rogue,
How is this done at your station. Do you guys have this "handshake agreement".

If either east or west is short, the other can help as long as there is no one on the overtime list that wasn't called in. But west seldom will agree to help because they know that east flights are monsters compared to the 40 bags they put on their flights.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I can see my topic has spured a lot a talk here and Im glad to see the reponses.
Now you have some idea what we deal with in these stations where we have duel ops.
This is just the tip too. Theses stations are run on a single budget so the hireing is just nuts.
We work so short here that you would not believe it. We use to have contract cleaners here for the east. They did away with them becasue the west did there own. Do you think they hired more guys to take care of that? No they didnt they, told us we had enough to do it.
Its things like that, and every day it just gets worse.
We all should make ourselves aware of our contract and what is going on out here, dont just isolate yourselves to where you are. Our Union needs to find a way to bring us all together some how some way.

a few members from ORD are suppose to report to your station next month.

As for my earlier post about a grievance, there is no grievance since this transition agreement allows certain activities that the company has taken complete advantage of. The transition agreement begs the company to short staff these stations so cross utilization can happen. IMO, Hemenway is much more intelligent than Chandlee and Canale and has been stealing their socks while keeping their shoes on them. That has been the problem with 141 over the years, they get guys who 'kiss the pinky' but can't put 4 words together and then they don't even know what they signed.

Regarding this last round of negotiations, Canale didn't even do a cost analysis. I can guarantee Hemenway knows the dollar amount of each item. Everything our negotiations team asked for was not cost out so they don't even know the impact of each concession/benefit they included. In fact Randy is so naive that when his negotiations team said $20hr was the bottom dollar, all he changed was top out, even though the negotiations team meant to adjust steps 1-9 accordingly. He's just not as smart as we need up there. So to everyone that isn't topped out, I introduce you Randy Canale.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[dexter]

Tim,

After reading hundreds of your posts, the last one said it in a nutshell. While I am still trying to figure out how the bargaining team for IAM is structured I find it even more difficult that if AH passes a proposed TA, how the IAM is not going through it word by word, amount by amount. To show language that topped out employees would make 20.00 and OVERLOOK payscales 1-9 really blows my mind! There seems to be something wrong with this picture. What about other language passed, such as overtime, hours of service, DOH, medical, profit sharing etc.? Just what is the IAM doing?

Dexter

 

[west fleet]

This was posted a couple of threads back.... " Our NC offered a proposal that was modest and fair and would have only brought us up to wages and benefits that still trail UA, WN, AA, CO"..... How could anyone say it was fair when the guys on furlough wont be brought back, west cities will be lost and pay is taken away from the employees with 1 to 9 years and just put on the top. I thought we had people there who were not kissing the pinky ring and looking out for us.

 

[roabilly]

CLT IAM FLEET SERVICE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE UPDATE:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Last week, tha Chairman of tha Grievance Committee personally visited all break rooms In Charlotte, includin’ Caterin’… and gave all employees updates on tha status of negations. (Or rather, lack there of.)

He made it clear, that tha N/C would not accept substandard T/A proposals. He asked us, fer input regardin’ any things we would like to address in ahh future T/A! Date of Hire was brought up, and he stated he was in fact aware that this was becomin’ ahh big issue for us.

He said he would address the DOH issue with N/C when they again convene.

I’ve been around ahh long time… and I ain’t never seen… hide nor hair… of Committee Members so soon after negotiations… actually askin’ us what we want in ahh T/A !

Is this tha same IAM ?

We made tha right choice in votin’ um in ! (Grievance Committee that is!)

 

[blownkneesbob]

hey folks new to the boards.. anyone know how I can get a picture next to my name