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<_< Thanks for the update aa! At least we're making progress there!aafsc said:
Flight Attendant Recalls In 2005
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All we can do is wait. Eagle negotiations isn't going well so for those of us who are at Eagle, it's an ardous process. Every month, I keep hoping for another recall. Regardless of what the work conditions and schedules are like at AA currently, I'd still go back. Thanks for keeping us "stepchildren" updated.
Hanging out on the recall list at number 78.
Hanging out on the recall list at number 78.
jimntx
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aafsc said:
If you are referring to flight attendants--which is the topic of this thread--they are not recalled by base. The recall list is strictly in seniority order systemwide. Before any furloughed flight attendants are recalled, the company must "open the transfer list" for any base which is short of flight attendants. Currently working flight attendants have first shot in seniority order at any slots that are open at any base--MIA is a special case right now for which this rule does not apply. Once all transfer requests are satisfied to the extent possible, recalled furloughees are allowed to pick from the available bases in seniority order.
It is highly unlikely that any recalled furloughee would get DFW as a base. There are currently approximately 250 active flight attendants on the transfer request list for DFW--me included. Most likely bases for any recalled flight attendants would be LGA, BOS, STL--possibly SFO and/or ORD.
kirkpatrick
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STL had over 3500 when we were all corralled there toward the end of 2001, and the April headcount now shows 449 active FA's and 53 inactive. I seriously doubt there will be room for any more than a token handful of us there. I myself have no interest in returning there, seniority or no senioriy, since I live in the New York area.okoge1027 said:
MK
jimntx
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kirkpatrick said:
Well, lord knows you won't have any problem putting LGA as your first choice!
jimntx
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Unfortunately short of flight attendants and short of flight attendants who are actually flying are 2 wildly different issues. Just ask an SLT flight attendant who was displaced from MIA.
The company recalls based upon being short of flight attendants for the amount of flying--which is a mathematical calculation. For instance, a 3-day S80 trip which operates daily needs 21 flight attendants + some number of reserves. It's more complicated than that, but that is the general idea.
If your base has a number of flight attendants who are not flying for one reason or another--sick, pregnant, IOD, general PO'd at the company--then by the company's standard, your base is not short of flight attendants. It is short of flight attendants who fly. As long as the non-flying f/as are in the headcount, the base is properly staffed--or in the case of MIA, overstaffed.
The company recalls based upon being short of flight attendants for the amount of flying--which is a mathematical calculation. For instance, a 3-day S80 trip which operates daily needs 21 flight attendants + some number of reserves. It's more complicated than that, but that is the general idea.
If your base has a number of flight attendants who are not flying for one reason or another--sick, pregnant, IOD, general PO'd at the company--then by the company's standard, your base is not short of flight attendants. It is short of flight attendants who fly. As long as the non-flying f/as are in the headcount, the base is properly staffed--or in the case of MIA, overstaffed.
kirkpatrick
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188 would be a strange number. Right now there are 98 natives left on the list (with the exception of those hired after the acquisition) and then they get to the TWA people. Since we require a minimum of three weeks of training, it would be difficult to get us back with less than about two months' notice.Flyboy4u said:
When they do finally get to us, I expect it to be in dribs and drabs, as they can only have so many people in training at the same time.
MK
jimntx
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Kirkpatrick made a good point. An 01Jul recall would require that notice of recall go out no later than 09JUN--minimum 21-day notice per contract.The recalled f/a then has 10 days to respond to recall notice. That would leave, at most, 11 days for training, travel to assigned base, etc.Flyboy4u said:
jimntx
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czerny said:
Bryan, attrition rates are never posted until late the following month. The attrition for April was posted only about a week ago. May attrition will not be posted until after 15JUN--probably after 20JUN.
Jim,
You just summed up the MIA dilemma better than I ever could...Wow!
I think you may have heard around our small base that I represented the MIA forced-transfers at the APFA BOD meeting in ORD.
I was chosen because I'm one of the more pragmatic MIA F/As (oh yeah, and the most junior...LOL! I either make lemonade or get REAL bitter).
I made the presentation that I didn't really have a good contract argument for (see Article 13) yet I had quite a bit of support from certain base chairs...especially MIA and IMA (and surprisingly, ORD and DCA domestic...they lose flying to MIA).
IMA apparently gets reassigned to Domestic quite often. AA apparently "costs out" what it would take to get us (Domestic, based on the famous "numbers) back to base per month.
They apparently don't "cost out" how much it is to pay understaffing pay and International to fly Domestic at Intl rates of pay.
Just an interesting little sidenote.
I will say that an IMA crew flies an RDU turn as a tag-on to their sequence...that's quite common...utilization, you know.
My point during the presentation was that if we (MIA dom forced transfers) were not eligible for recall to IMA (a different domicile supposedly), then IMA proffers should not be allowed to resign to Domestic while a forced-transfer or overage situation exists.
MIA/IMA is the only base where this happens. You wouldn't resign from IOR or IDF to fly this domestic crap, RSV or not.
That's why MIA is in limbo, we are too junior to hold IMA or mutual laterals and we're powerless against IMA resigning to domestic (same crap trips without Customs/Immigrations).
Nothing will change at the APFA.
The side letter of agreement is a joke (1 for 5 get to go home, except for MIA proffering to IMA...is it 2 separate domiciles or not?)
6 should have gone home, only 2 get to. I need to call them and see if they have been contacted.
I still fully expect a recall in NOV or DEC based on attrition. Not for summer though, it ain't gonna be pretty (reassignments).
MK, if you are willing to fly out of 3 airports in NYC, it's not a bad thing on AVBL.
I tried to talk a recalled friend into SLT, he went to NYC instead and is happy. Flying transcons on AVBL.
I can't do it...I'm a 1 airport princess (unless I'm in MIA and have a car, even then, PBI is a problem).
The most senior trips in SLT are West Coast turns and high-time trips I don't care to see on RSV...namely the MCI almost 16 hour 2 day that has wilted some of my AVBL crashpaders. When you are on-duty you are flying but it is ugly. It went very senior for a pure line, 2 on 5 off. It also showed up in Open Time quite regularly.
I bid (unfortunately) low-time 2 leg afternoon turns for quality of life reasons.
I work more days per month but I'm not as nasty when on duty as I would be with a 4 leg turn.
Coop
SLT
(jimntx,May 26 2005, 11:45 PM]
Unfortunately short of flight attendants and short of flight attendants who are actually flying are 2 wildly different issues. Just ask an SLT flight attendant who was displaced from MIA.
The company recalls based upon being short of flight attendants for the amount of flying--which is a mathematical calculation. For instance, a 3-day S80 trip which operates daily needs 21 flight attendants + some number of reserves. It's more complicated than that, but that is the general idea.
If your base has a number of flight attendants who are not flying for one reason or another--sick, pregnant, IOD, general PO'd at the company--then by the company's standard, your base is not short of flight attendants. It is short of flight attendants who fly. As long as the non-flying f/as are in the headcount, the base is properly staffed--or in the case of MIA, overstaffed.
You just summed up the MIA dilemma better than I ever could...Wow!
I think you may have heard around our small base that I represented the MIA forced-transfers at the APFA BOD meeting in ORD.
I was chosen because I'm one of the more pragmatic MIA F/As (oh yeah, and the most junior...LOL! I either make lemonade or get REAL bitter).
I made the presentation that I didn't really have a good contract argument for (see Article 13) yet I had quite a bit of support from certain base chairs...especially MIA and IMA (and surprisingly, ORD and DCA domestic...they lose flying to MIA).
IMA apparently gets reassigned to Domestic quite often. AA apparently "costs out" what it would take to get us (Domestic, based on the famous "numbers) back to base per month.
They apparently don't "cost out" how much it is to pay understaffing pay and International to fly Domestic at Intl rates of pay.
Just an interesting little sidenote.
I will say that an IMA crew flies an RDU turn as a tag-on to their sequence...that's quite common...utilization, you know.
My point during the presentation was that if we (MIA dom forced transfers) were not eligible for recall to IMA (a different domicile supposedly), then IMA proffers should not be allowed to resign to Domestic while a forced-transfer or overage situation exists.
MIA/IMA is the only base where this happens. You wouldn't resign from IOR or IDF to fly this domestic crap, RSV or not.
That's why MIA is in limbo, we are too junior to hold IMA or mutual laterals and we're powerless against IMA resigning to domestic (same crap trips without Customs/Immigrations).
Nothing will change at the APFA.
The side letter of agreement is a joke (1 for 5 get to go home, except for MIA proffering to IMA...is it 2 separate domiciles or not?)
6 should have gone home, only 2 get to. I need to call them and see if they have been contacted.
I still fully expect a recall in NOV or DEC based on attrition. Not for summer though, it ain't gonna be pretty (reassignments).
MK, if you are willing to fly out of 3 airports in NYC, it's not a bad thing on AVBL.
I tried to talk a recalled friend into SLT, he went to NYC instead and is happy. Flying transcons on AVBL.
I can't do it...I'm a 1 airport princess (unless I'm in MIA and have a car, even then, PBI is a problem).
The most senior trips in SLT are West Coast turns and high-time trips I don't care to see on RSV...namely the MCI almost 16 hour 2 day that has wilted some of my AVBL crashpaders. When you are on-duty you are flying but it is ugly. It went very senior for a pure line, 2 on 5 off. It also showed up in Open Time quite regularly.
I bid (unfortunately) low-time 2 leg afternoon turns for quality of life reasons.
I work more days per month but I'm not as nasty when on duty as I would be with a 4 leg turn.
Coop
SLT
(jimntx,May 26 2005, 11:45 PM]
Unfortunately short of flight attendants and short of flight attendants who are actually flying are 2 wildly different issues. Just ask an SLT flight attendant who was displaced from MIA.
The company recalls based upon being short of flight attendants for the amount of flying--which is a mathematical calculation. For instance, a 3-day S80 trip which operates daily needs 21 flight attendants + some number of reserves. It's more complicated than that, but that is the general idea.
If your base has a number of flight attendants who are not flying for one reason or another--sick, pregnant, IOD, general PO'd at the company--then by the company's standard, your base is not short of flight attendants. It is short of flight attendants who fly. As long as the non-flying f/as are in the headcount, the base is properly staffed--or in the case of MIA, overstaffed.
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[/quote]flydcoop said:
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[/quote]I have always loved the "they don't want to pay you" reason for not recalling. The f/a salary is an insignificant part of the budget pie. Much as you would like to think the "industry leading" pay is that great, it isn't a factor anymore. Reality check, AA would like to se ALL f/as at newhire rates. Your $10 over-staffing cost is a joke. It should be 1 hour of flight pay for each hour or fraction for all affected f/as. Tes, that is what we had and there was VERY little understaffing. I expect July will cut the numbers and give AA a pretty clear picture of what they will have left of our group. No passes, no Cobra, time to go for many.. On another note, I just got a letter from Laurie Curtis "thanking" me for my many years of excellent service. Do you all want to help me compose a reply...lol Everyone have a safe Memorial Day Weekend.
