Finally; Non-stops from Dallas to LGA---

[WorldTraveler]

EVERY AIRLINE, including AA, has filled positions thruout its system by means of voluntary transfers.

And it still doesn't change that WN has owned FL in its entirety for several years now.... you seemed happy to jump on the cuts that DL made in MSP to NW"s HDQ staff but seem unable to connect to what WN is doing to FL.

Even if swamt can accurately make the claim about WN's own mechanics, they have not done the same for other workgroups or FL employees.

 

[swamt]

swamt has never argued that SWA is insulated from the same forces that affect the rest of the industry.  You are claiming this now.  I simply CORRECTED you, as well as others on here that SWA has never had mechanics laid-off, or riffed,  NOT ONE.   I also never said other employees were not affected by the buy-out.  Of coarse there are gonna be employees affected, just like they have been at all the other airlines after merging.  You cannot run 2 headquarters.  As far as the year old article about ATL staffing and employees, I have told you and told you that SWA is revamping the ATL station as all the rest of the stations are ran to be more efficient and mirror the other cities flown by SWA.  All affected employees at ATL are being offered positions within SWA, as long as they are willing to transfer over to SWA.  Most will all receive increases if they do so, up to 30% just as they article states.  They will also be offered positions elsewhere within SWA,  (using Dallas only as an example) say Dallas as they have just finished building 2 more huge GO buildings to help place most AT employees coming over to SWA, as well as support all the new hiring for the increase in size and operations are concerned.    I also understand that some people will not transfer over due to whatever reasons they have, and they all will receive a severance  package.   Not too sure if any other airline has offered to their employees this kind of options as most all the other airlines just released their employees after the mergers.    But all this chest pounding you are doing originally started with mechanics from FL and you have managed to flip it all around to ANY SWA employees now.  I have poited this out in one of my post when you did this as we all seen the typical WT train start to derail and spin everything around as you keep getting proved wrong out here, and here you did it again.  WT, you just can't bring your self to say, "hey, you know what I was wrong, I stand corrected, or I must not have had all the information at that time."  Something, anything, but noooooo, WT is never ever wrong in his eyes.  Keep posting WT, your doing a fine job, and I just love coming on here and proving you wrong day in and day out.  Anything to damage your character just a little more everyday is satisfying enough for at least myself, don't know about the rest out here.  So go ahead, make up some more lies and post misinformation about SWA I will correct you every time.  Carry on sir, carry on...

 

[swamt]

Just so you know WT, not all groups are integrated over to SWA.  That won't be completed until end of 2014...

 

[WorldTraveler]

thank you for confirming that WN's merger with FL has produced the same degree of employee impact as have other legacy airlines.

I'm glad you are happy with WN and they have a great track record... but DL's cutbacks at DFW had nothing to do with a merger... and more significantly, DL HAS NEVER HAD AS HIGH OF A PERCENTAGE OF MAINTENANCE OUTSOURCING AS WN HAS HAD CONTINUOUSLY SINCE ITS MERGER.

Tout all you want about WN's protection of its mechanics but WN simply doesn't have the size of maintenance operation relative to the size of the company that any of the legacy carriers has had or does have.

WN outsources more of its maintenance than every other legacy carrier.

It is a whole lot easier to protect jobs that are already heavily outsourced.

That also explains why other WN/FL workgroups have been impacted more by the merger than mechanics have.

It would be nice if you could recognize the basics of how WN operates within the industry and frame your comments within that context.

 

[eolesen]

you seemed happy to jump on the cuts that DL made in MSP to NW"s HDQ staff but seem unable to connect to what WN is doing to FL.

Sorry Charlie, but there's no comparison.

Had the NW HDQ jobs just been eliminated, you'd have heard no comment from me.

Instead, DL decided to dangle the notion of keeping a regional HDQ in MSP to order to appease the local politicians, and then killed it off as soon as the merger was consumated. They shut down a regional training center in MSP, while leaving the former WA center STILL in SLC untouched. Bait and switch isn't going to go without comment.

But this isn't about HDQ folks. It's about line employees. So far, you've provided nothing to back up your claim that the build up at DAL is being done on the backs of the FL employees. There's nothing to substantiate it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and DL laid off no line employees... all were given the option to relocate. No different from what WN has done. Even if original hire WN mechanics haven't been forced to move, other workgroups have from both WN and FL.

Further, as much as WN wants to harp on the layoffs that DL did in the 2000s, DL gave out more voluntary packages than any other airline and many, many people took them up on those offers.

 

[700UW]

MEM, CVG, DTW layoffs have occurred your not being truthful as did MSP.

 

[WorldTraveler]

those employees were offered transfers. Can you tell us how many chose not to transfer?

and again tell me how this is different from what WN is doing by closing stations?

the whole basis of mergers in the industry was to reduce capacity and consolidate operations. WN is no different.

To pretend that DL is doing something that other carriers haven't or won't do is the deception - or lie if you want to call it that.

DL has done more because it had the first merger of this era of megamergers.

You've undoubtedly read that UA is supposedly looking to dramatically increase the number of contracted stations and lay off their own employees?

 

[700UW]

Keyword: Offered.
 
Why dont you tell us, or did you not visit a breakroom or galley lately?

 

[robbedagain]

of course you do know that ua has never gotten their house in order to begin with...
 
as far as dal goes...  its gonna be an up hill climb for dl to get 2 gates and keep the same schedule    some how  some way  i doubt it will be kept both ways  given the govt ruling

 

[WorldTraveler]

Keyword: Offered.
 
Why dont you tell us, or did you not visit a breakroom or galley lately?

 
 
then you should be able to tell us why employees of WN would choose to move at a higher rate than employees at DL or any other legacy airline.... and provide us with actual facts and data and not speculation or theories.

How many stations did you work at during your career? Many people including active ones on this forum moved for their own benefit but which also helped the company. Well run companies get the employees to work with them during transitions.... which is exactly what DL did with the CVG and MEM hub reductions and the buildup of SEA, NYC, and DTW.

As much as you or others want to believe otherwise, WN is just as "mortal" as any other airline in having changing business strategies that require adaptation by its employees.

of course you do know that ua has never gotten their house in order to begin with...
 
as far as dal goes...  its gonna be an up hill climb for dl to get 2 gates and keep the same schedule    some how  some way  i doubt it will be kept both ways  given the govt ruling

take a clue from swamt and wait until the whole process is over before you count DL out of DAL... I think you will find them there and larger than what they are now.

 

[robbedagain]

acutally  i take swamt's word over yours given he knows whats going on in dal given he is an ACTIVE WN employee   not to mention THE FED GOVT has stated that DL IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION to serve DAL which leaves VX  to battle it out with WN  and may be anthr one or two might go in for the kill

 

[WorldTraveler]

get over it.

DL could care less about what the DOJ says and is moving toward serving the market anyway.

even E and swamt acknowledge there are decent chances that DL will be there.

VX won't win any contests with WN.

swamt can say all he wants about what impact the FL/WN merger has/has not had on FL employees but it is well known in Atlanta and other cities. 700 posted the links.

TO try to argue that WN doesn't do what other carriers have done or will do in mergers is nothing short of pathological.

 

[robbedagain]

i do acknowledg they could serve it  just not as big as delta wants to

 

[swamt]

Exactly robbed.  Delta will not get the 2 gates. And as I have said before Delta can very easily have service at LF as long as they want to lease other gates.  I have never said Delta will never be at LF.  This entire conversation has been wrapped around the 2 gates up for bid by the divesture by AA.  Delta will not get those two gates, period.  WT can scream all he wants to about law suits and challenges, doesn't matter, not going to go in Delta's favor for the 2 gates in question.  Delta can serve LF all they want if they want to lease other gates or share other gates that are available to share.  I have never said Delta will never serve LF, don't let WT spin that one in his favor...