Virgin appearently wins gates at DAL

[WorldTraveler]

nowhere, absolutely nowhere did I ever say that there would definitely be a legal challenge regarding the DCA or LGA slot divestitures alone.

Give it up.

You are trying desperately to try to make me look bad. Give up the personal vendettas. I truly don't know who you are but it must be a crying shame to be so consumed with trying to get even with people as you clearly are.

Recognize that I have understood the issues including this DAL issue when a host of other people including the media and DOJ have muddied it up with issues that have noting to do with what legally is required.

You and others have argued for months that I would be proven wrong on this issue and it is abundantly clear that WN won't get any more gates and DL will be at DAL.

Virgin likely will be at DAL if it wants to do so alongside DL and WN.

There are clear legal and business issues at stake which I nailed months ago and which you and others have clearly not understood.

 

[700UW]

Oh yes you did, myself, Kev, robbed, and Eric have all seen it.
Stop hiding and lying.
 
I never stated who would get the DAL gates, I know one thing, it wont be Delta, and do you really think the COD is going to go against the DOJ and risk Federal monies?
 
No one has to give up their gates to accomidate DL.
 
All WN or anyone has to do is ask for sky high rents, and DL can pay it or not, just like VX at ORD.
 
And you wont see WN be forced to let DL use WN's gates.
 
Lets see how you spin this one now.
 
Where is the legal challenge over LGA and DCA?
 
What specific law and wording would prevent the DOJ from doing what they did?
 
Since the Courts and the Feds have all signed off on it, you are doing nothing more than spreading cow manure.

 

[WorldTraveler]

there you go right there.

You have said that DL won't get gates.

If DL doesn't have gates, in your mind they won't be there.

But they will.

Again, read the DL letters.

You are clueless on the subject as you are on so many things and that will be apparent when this case is finished.


again, check your vendettas elsewhere and go get help.

You clearly never learned to admit you are wrong and someone else was right and it shows in everything you post here.

DL will be at DAL and it will be either accommodated at other gates or it will use the gates that are in question.

Stop your hot air on everything else.

That is and will be the bottom line as much as you will try to make it anything but to avoid admitting that you were and are wrong.

BTW, Kevin is smart enough to stay out of issues which are not within his expertise. He has never said one way or another regarding DL at DAL.

You would do well to learn a lot from him. A whole lot.

 

[700UW]

You are a legend in your own mind.
 
You should be the CEO of every airline since you are so smart as you claim.
 
Yet you were in Revenue Management, left DL and yet you pontificate them all over the boards on every thread and every topic.
 
You are nothing but a retiree and you are shown to be wrong over and over and over.
 
Yet you call Kevin and idiot, stupid and other insults.
 
Are you sure you are not bipolar?

 

[WorldTraveler]

carry on if beating on the keyboard allows you to take out your frustrations.

DL will be at DAL, WN will get no more gates as long as there are other airlines who want to serve the airport than there are gates available, and WN will be required to accommodate other flights which cannot be fit into existing space.

there is no reason Virgin can't also serve DAL.

those facts will be shown to be the truth; everything else is filler; and those who have repeatedly argued that DL wouldn't be at DAL will be shown to be wrong.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

 
Are you sure you are not bipolar?

My personal belief is that he's widgetpolar.

 

[Kev3188]

Yet you call Kevin and idiot, stupid and other insults.

My favorite is "labor loser."

As for DAL, I actually have weighed in. Based on what we (as in all of us on this board) knows right now, I think DL will wind up with something on the order of 5-6 departures/day, using a mix of 717's and E175's. It won't be anywhere near what the published schedule shows, but it won't be a handful of CRJ-200's seen today, either. It also won't involve the towing on/off of gates that WT posited, nor will there be :15 min. turns. They'll simply have to make it work with whatever they wind up with, and that may involve a sublease, less than optimal departure times, a combo of both, or neither.

 

[WorldTraveler]

My personal belief is that he's widgetpolar.

and it is precisely comments like that only provoke me to make even sure that you and everyone else know that whether you like it or not I speak about what I know.

there were a host of people who said I was wrong about the slot deal and yet everything I said about it has taken place - and DL got the far better end of the deal.

There have been endless discussions about AA and its finances and I have been shown to be right over and over again on those subjects.

Endless people have tried to argue that DL would fail at one issue or another but I have been right.

It isn't my problem that other people have chosen to challenge me and end up being wrong.

As for you, Kevin,
I'm sorry if you feel offended by what I said but you have devoted your efforts since being a DL employee to the labor movement and yet you haven't succeeded.

Not sure what you would call it.

As for DAL, if you bothered to read the DL letter, then your idea that DL should end up with a half dozen flights fit in between Virgin's is contrary to what federal access law requires.

Feel free to counter not only me but also your employer.

 

[Kev3188]

As for you, Kevin,
I'm sorry if you feel offended by what I said but you have devoted your efforts since being a DL employee to the labor movement and yet you haven't succeeded.

Not sure what you would call it.

I'd call it taking the long the view.

As for DAL, if you bothered to read the DL letter, then your idea that DL should end up with a half dozen flights fit in between Virgin's is contrary to what federal access law requires.

Feel free to counter not only me but also your employer.

That's just it; I don't share your obsession with being right or the need to "counter" anyone w/r/t DL's flight activity at DAL. It's simply not as high of priority in my life as it clearly is in yours.

I said what I think (that's think, not know) will ultimately occur. If I'm Wright, cool. If not, meh.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not interested in being right; I am interested in seeing my company grow.


when people assert that they know what the issues are on an issue that they clearly do not, I have absolutely no problem in sticking it out in an argument to prove my point.

They could just as easily walk way too instead of saying like you that "it is always the other person."

if people want to declare emphatically that they know what is going on and then turn out to be wrong, they themselves invite heaps of criticism on themselves.

if you were as accurate about not having to prove you are right, then you would have accepted a long time ago that you didn't understand the DL culture, still don't, and are trying to force something which the majority of your coworkers don't want. When you surround yourself with the minority that thinks just like you, it isn't a surprise that you have convinced yourself otherwise.

DL has been successfully running an airline for 80 years; your long view can't begin to touch theirs.

specific to this issue, DL is showing once again that it is strategically smarter and more nimble to win in the marketplace than its competitors. They have repeatedly shown it to be true and the DAL case will be yet one more example.

Let's be perfectly clear. DL is not accepting the scraps and leftovers of what other carriers don't want at DAL. They have every right to be treated as an equal and the same DOJ that said they weren't prepared to go to trial will itself be shown to have stuck its nose into an issue that it didn't understand. More significantly, WN running to the DOJ to shield them and AA execs' crowing about that they were not going to sell assets to either DL or UA will end up costing them far more in the marketplace than either AA or WN ever thought they would face.

 

[eolesen]

Did I miss the day when the community voted WT in as the guy who gets to decide who is right, and who needs heaps o' edjumacatin'?...

Give it a rest, guys. I'd ban both of you for a month if I were running the boards, for not having enough common sense to know when to stop throwing punches at each other. When you've made your case, walk away.

That way, maybe other people might actually get to take part in the conversation instead of watching threads get closed down after you two get into another of your endless cat fights...
 

I'm not interested in being right; I am interested in seeing my company grow.

For someone not interested in being right, you sure do invest a lot of time trying to convince everyone you are right...

But the second half of your comment is interesting. Your company? Is there something you haven't disclosed lately?...

 

[700UW]

Your company?

You need help, you aren't a dl employee, wow, you have serious issues.

 

[WorldTraveler]

as a retiree of U S Air you would never know.

E walked away from the airline industry completely and has said he isn't a retiree of any airline. apparently he thinks he runs this board though.

BTW, we can add the DAL issue to the dozen or so other issues about DL which the peanut gallery has been shown to be wrong.

I do get a kick of seeing people make a fool of themselves trying to prove others wrong and then end up being proven wrong themselves.

 

[700UW]

First of all who is US Air?

And I am 47, a little young to collect or be considered a retiree.

Only person who gets proved wrong is you!

 

[WorldTraveler]

I thought you were a full-fledged retiree.

Am I correct that you no longer work for any airline, including US?

I am only incorrect if I have been told something and chose to not hear it.

Have you ever posted your age or employment status before?