Your AF/Os make our AF/Os look downright cheerful.
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Your AF/Os make our AF/Os look downright cheerful.
"... did you expect...?"
As another fairly short timer now; I think I can field that one for nycbusdriver, in the same spirit he's evidenced and I share on expectations of any kind, versus reality = Yawn.
I'm not certain that any truly "serious question" could even rationally contain the words "... did you expect...?"
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How does or should allegiance translate to actionable steps that can be taken? It only takes one pilot to file a DFR claim against USAPA which, as the Company attorney has pointed out to the court multiple times, has already been found to be illegal on the merits of the case in Addington. I have zero control or ability to influence USAPA to accept the NIC and I have zero control or influence to ensure that all LCC pilots will refrain from filing a DFR should a JCBA be ratified without the NIC. It only takes one and this is a risk for both USAPA and Management. USAPA seems willing to take that risk even strongly cautioned against harming the west by both the Ninth and Silver, but Management will not collude with USAPA. So, baring a clear and unambiguous ruling from a federal court that allows Management to agree to any S22 list USAPA provides without the Nic, parked negotiations are all anyone can expect. Failing to accept the NIC has consequences for east pilots, west pilots, Management, and the other work groups which are affected by not having full operational integration. Only the court, if they are willing to grant relief, or USAPA by accepting the NIC can change any of these conditions. Certainly not me.
Right, certainly not you, or you fellow pilot or that fellow pilot. Just victims, forced down the ONLY path available.
.......Let them eat cake!
Haven't you heard CG....
Usapa just made arrangements to get off of LOA93...
Can you say ripe for violation of the TA?
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You used fifty-six words and still failed to answer the question. How hard is it to say, "I believe USAPA would be capable to attaining a JCBA in the next three years", or "I believe USAPA would most likely not negotiate a JCBA before I retire."? The lack of a substantive response is likely the best indicator of your true feelings on the matter."... did you expect...?"
As another fairly short timer now; I think I can field that one for nycbusdriver, in the same spirit he's evidenced and I share on expectations of any kind, versus reality = Yawn.
Indeed sir. Top Secret/Need to Know/No FORN/Eyes Only stuff for certain! It goes without saying that no one out west could possibly have had that information prior to overwhemingly voting in favor of an MOU that nowhere necessitates the nic be used. Opposite that?...They only had the union's CBL's to reference! Those poor people out there are all innocent and uncomprehending victims that knew not what they did! Innocent Victims I tell you! Just ask them! Heck!...Even their allmighty lawyers think the MOU, by not requiring the nic, constitutes a drf, and yet, these poor lambs were all left entirely uninformed!
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Then you have a dispute that could go in front of Richard Bloch, not a Federal Judge.
Which is it? (Which is it TODAY?)
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I agree with the Ninth. USAPA may NEVER be able to reach a ratifiable JCBA using the NIC. "Interminable" was the word used.
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I much prefer reality to speculative fantasy, and tend to spend my time within the former. If, in those 56 words, you didn't or yet still can't understand that I found it an entirely meaningless and senseless inquiry...well...you also have my sympathy today. I'm apparently in an unusually generous mood here.
I've no thoughts that any nic-inclusive contract that would have ever been offered by team tempe would have been voted in.
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And what path should west pilots take according to your wisdom? Just step aside and ignore their rights to be fairly represented by their own collective bargaining agent?
Well then. Sound the "war" trumpets! Don your "spartan" attire. Dress up as "Dire Wolves", or even "Larry Potta". Pretend yourselves mighty "knights" who've "fought with valor in many battles"....or just hold your breath 'till you turn blue. Who cares now?
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Well the Ninth may be in line to hear the question again, this time with Management's counsel presenting a case as to why they cannot be exposed to a collusion risk for accepting a list which has already been found to be a violation of the CBA's DFR.
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Why all of the interest to expedite the 9th? Now we're talking apples and oranges. Ripeness is gone and AOL is going to go after USAPA for entirely different causes of action than referenced in the current DJ appeal. At some point, somebody in a black robe is going to ask specifically what the LUP is alleged to be. What is it? That the MOU benefits PHX...although to a much lesser extent than the East? HA!! That's a good one.
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Do you look at weather forecasts in the performance of your job or do you consider them to be speculative fantasy as well?I much prefer reality to speculative fantasy, and tend to spend my time within the former. If, in those 56 words, you didn't or yet still can't understand that I found it an entirely meaningless and senseless inquiry...well...you also have my sympathy today. I'm apparently in an unusually generous mood here.
I've no thoughts that any nic-inclusive contract that would have ever been offered by team tempe would have been voted in.
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