Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

And what path should west pilots take according to your wisdom? Just step aside and ignore their rights to be fairly represented by their own collective bargaining agent?

Have I ever said the west pilots should just step aside? No, what I've said is the they should sit down and talk about possible solutions, something they have not done since USAPA was formed.

 

[Pi brat]

Ripeness is gone

Why is it gone?

 

[snapthis]

Your AF/Os make our AF/Os look downright cheerful.

I don't think I can handle anymore cheer.

 

[EastUS1]

Have I ever said the west pilots should just step aside? No, what I've said is the they should sit down and talk about possible solutions, something they have not done since USAPA was formed.

Agreed, but well past a day late and dollar short at this point....Not that any post-nic compromise of any kind was ever to be seen in any case. It was just too massive a lottery win to discard.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think you said earlier this week you have about 1240 days left till retirement. Serious question, absent a merger, did you expect to retire on LOA93 or on a JCBA given the past seven years of failed progress under ALPA and USAPA?

With utmost honesty, I didn't know where it would lead. I felt USAPA was right, but the glacial pace of the federal court system meant that I could very well retire on LOA 93.

I was, and still am, prepared for that eventuality. I have been, and still am, ready to vote no on any contract that contains the Nicolau abomination. My seniority number is in the 200s, with or without Nicolau.

It's a matter of fairness and respect for my colleagues of decades who sacrificed more than I did to keep this company (and my job) alive.

I would gladly give up the money rather than throw my co-workers on the east under the bus, as they have been so many times before.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

And what path should west pilots take according to your wisdom? Just step aside and ignore their rights to be fairly represented by their own collective bargaining agent?

You just voted on the "path!" Based on Marty's latest, you should have some severe buyer's remorse.

Greeter

 

[Metroyet]

Have I ever said the west pilots should just step aside? No, what I've said is the they should sit down and talk about possible solutions, something they have not done since USAPA was formed.

The DFR rights sit with the individual. That's never been in dispute. So you think you're going to sit down and negotiate with 1500+ people and satisfy all of them enough not to sue? Gee, if there was just a neutral, fair process to settle such disputes....

 

[EastUS1]

Do you look at weather forecasts in the performance of your job or do you consider them to be speculative fantasy as well?

I plan for conditions to be worse than forecast. In so doing = Yes. I consider them to be speculative fantasy. How ANY living person (much less a pilot) could regard weather forecasts as other than that, given the history of the exhalted "science" of meteorology, surprises me here. What exhalted Academy of Aerospace Excellence and overall AWAsome produced you? Whatever the weather is thousands or even hundreds of miles away...well...it generally won't be exactly as guessed by the time you get there.

 

[flyboeing737]

You just voted on the "path!" Based on Marty's latest, you should have some severe buyer's remorse.

Greeter

The MOU seals the NIC. West voted for the NIC. PHL was the only base with any brains to see the NIC was coming. In typical east fashion, the senior sold out the junior for a raise. Enjoy the NIC.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Have I ever said the west pilots should just step aside? No, what I've said is the they should sit down and talk about possible solutions, something they have not done since USAPA was formed.

No, you never said that. What you haven't said that I recall is exactly how the west pilots can legally sit down with USAPA and negotiate a different solution that wouldn't expose USAPA and Management to a DFR suit post-ratification, given that it only takes one to make a valid claim of harm in a federal court.

 

[EastUS1]

So you think you're going to sit down and negotiate with 1500+ people and satisfy all of them enough not to sue?

Nope. So sue away. Knock yourselves out.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The MOU seals the NIC. West voted for the NIC. PHL was the only base with any brains to see the NIC was coming. In typical east fashion, the senior sold out the junior for a raise. Enjoy the NIC.

You have totally, and unsurprisingly, misread the PHL vote results.

The PHL pilots voted "No" by the largest margin of any base simply because many of us (most who voted "No" I would wager) were uncomfortable with the vague language with enough holes to qualify as a sieve. I know. I talk to them all the time. Do you?

 

[nic4us]

I agree with the Ninth. USAPA may NEVER be able to reach a ratifiable JCBA using the NIC. "Interminable" was the word used.

Greeter

Hey Greeter,

what is the LUP?

It would seem that the east, by voting in the MOU, has removed the argument that usapa could NEVER reach a ratifiable contract using the Nic, when they just passed what amounts to a contract knowing full well it is seniority neutral and the eventual outcome might very well include the only accepted system seniority list at the company they work for!


This also removes the argument that gaining better wages is a LUP. Seems we have gained better wages with the merger and the MOU no matter what seniority list is used. So, we get the wages if we use the Nic, and there is no east block able to stop that!

 

[EastUS1]

What you haven't said that I recall is exactly how the west pilots can legally sit down with USAPA and negotiate a different solution that wouldn't expose USAPA and Management to a DFR suit post-ratification, given that it only takes one to make a valid claim of harm in a federal court.

Ah! Poor little victims of circumstance...again....always....ad nauseum.

 

[EastUS1]

It would seem that the east, by voting in the MOU, has removed the argument that usapa could NEVER reach a ratifiable contract using the Nic,...

Huh!? Had any drug tests lately? Where's the nic contained in the MOU? Didn't your allmighty lawyers provide you copies of their awesome missle-missives? It seems that by NOT requiring the nic; the MOU constitutes a DFR to you poor unfortunates as it stands....? "Shirley" you all knew that before almost unanimously voting it in?