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[SKY HIGH]

I would go for rotating rsv, just to help folks below me, mostly due to the fact I know how they have suffered. Far more than most BH could even fathom.

sky high states: Why are YOU trying to fix the system by LOWERING THE BAR, again? Everyone's suffered here, N109UW. Fathom, being here 30 years and watching your pay go from $46 to $38 a year. Or vacation time, having 45 days a year to 30-something. Pension, anyone? Healthcare benefits for retirees? People are walking around HERE looking like zombies, flying to exhaustion to make up the paycuts, etc. And, your idea, to help the reserves is to ask the blockholders to GIVE UP their schedules?

Let me wave my magic stir-stick and make YOU, MEC, for a day. Ok, fix it and make EVERYONE happy!


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[SKY HIGH]

Of course. They didn't even sound like they cared. They also said if we had more lines there would be more furloughs because we would have too many reserves.

sky high states: See the two sentences up top? They dont make sense together. The AFL-CIO, AFA, is about "protecting jobs" of it's members.


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[USCREW]

sky high states: Why are YOU trying to fix the system by LOWERING THE BAR, again? Everyone's suffered here, N109UW. Fathom, being here 30 years and watching your pay go from $46 to $38 a year. Or vacation time, having 45 days a year to 30-something. Pension, anyone? Healthcare benefits for retirees? People are walking around HERE looking like zombies, flying to exhaustion to make up the paycuts, etc. And, your idea, to help the reserves is to ask the blockholders to GIVE UP their schedules?

Let me wave my magic stir-stick and make YOU, MEC, for a day. Ok, fix it and make EVERYONE happy!
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N109 would like for us to share the pain equally.

 

[FlightChic]

sky high states: See the two sentences up top? They dont make sense together. The AFL-CIO, AFA, is about "protecting jobs" of it's members.
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They acted like they didn't care about anything I said. Those two sentences are not oxymorons. And besides, the AFA may be about "protecting jobs" but they do nothing about protecting the livelyhood of its reserve flight attendants. Even though my idea was shot down, they could have stated some alternatives they had in mind to improve the system since they didn't seem to like any of my ideas. If they did create more blocks or partial blocks and they needed me to take a furlough, I would gladly take it.

BTW reserves, from what I hear don't be surprised if the the company is really pushing for us to be tagged after we end a trip! That's another thing you need to be addressing with the union and with Mike Finn. His name has been popping up an awful lot lately so watch out!

Can you imagine coming in from a 4 day exhausted only to be told you have to do an Orlando turn or some other BS. BTW, you can be tagged over and over again.

I can see the union now: "Great news! We finally got you those shifts you wanted however we had to make some more concessions one of which is you can be tagged over and over again. Oh and if there are irregular ops/severe shortage of reserves then they can double up your shifts!"

 

[N109UW]

sky high states: Why are YOU trying to fix the system by LOWERING THE BAR, again? Everyone's suffered here, N109UW. Fathom, being here 30 years and watching your pay go from $46 to $38 a year. Or vacation time, having 45 days a year to 30-something. Pension, anyone? Healthcare benefits for retirees? People are walking around HERE looking like zombies, flying to exhaustion to make up the paycuts, etc. And, your idea, to help the reserves is to ask the blockholders to GIVE UP their schedules?

Let me wave my magic stir-stick and make YOU, MEC, for a day. Ok, fix it and make EVERYONE happy!
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You couldn't handle as your MECP, I'm not a patsy, I'm not a "yes" person. I believe things should be fair for everyone. Are you hearing this. EVERYONE. I believe in getting everyones opinion. I may not agree with it, but I do respect it. See, that is the problem right now. One group is suffering tens times more than any other, and the others could not give a s**t about it, That is a major problem here, People don't look past their own noses. or if they do, it is so far up someone elses you know what" that they can'y see. Maybe you are one of those. We need people like that hear also, to offset the stronger ones.

N109 would like for us to share the pain equally.

Why. are you volunteering? I didn't think so. Maybe you and I could push for rotating rsv together. Are you trying to say hat it's ok to leave these folks to suffer like the obviously are? Maybe the senoir folks should step up to the plate instead of sitting back saying " Wow, that stinks. Oh well. it doen't effect me." Most wouldn't know how to step up. Hell, They can't even vote in an election, let alone go to a meeting. So nothing surprises me, especially what I hear from our senior people. Our senoir people should be our strongest asset, but they are not, and that is extremely sad.

 

[FlightChic]

Maybe the senoir folks should step up to the plate instead of sitting back saying " Wow, that stinks. Oh well. it doen't effect me." Most wouldn't know how to step up. Hell, They can't even vote in an election, let alone go to a meeting. So nothing surprises me, especially what I hear from our senior people. Our senoir people should be our strongest asset, but they are not, and that is extremely sad.

It is sad...but they are afraid of losing their bid sheet.

 

[N109UW]

It is sad...but they are afraid of losing their bid sheet.

As I said, Self centered and only concerned about themselves and what is going on in their world. They are afraid of looking outside the box and possible helping others. Who knows, maybe if they were alittle more concerned with some of these rsv issues, the rsv's might show some concern about the senoir folks future retirement possiblities.

 

[USCREW]

Hell, They can't even vote in an election, let alone go to a meeting. So nothing surprises me, especially what I hear from our senior people. Our senoir people should be our strongest asset, but they are not, and that is extremely sad.

I've gone to meetings, and I know how to vote. I've voted no, no, and no. I disagree with the notion that the BHs need to give up what we have left to make the RSV's life better. We should negotiate to make the contract better for all FAs on all issues. This does not include lowering the bar to make the schedules less flexible for BHs by taking away AIL or rotating reserve. From my standpoint, the money is not there to be made here, all that is left for me are the benefits and the extreme flexibility. I know that we have a crap reserve system, but why can't we think about how to fix that without making it seem like the whole problem lies with the BHs and their diva schedules?

 

[FlightChic]

As I said, Self centered and only concerned about themselves and what is going on in their world. They are afraid of looking outside the box and possible helping others. Who knows, maybe if they were alittle more concerned with some of these rsv issues, the rsv's might show some concern about the senoir folks future retirement possiblities.

yep!

I do feel bad about them losing their retirement for real. It's not right! But it is frustrating walking onto a plane or in a briefing room only to hear complaints about a reserve being on their trip. I enjoy working with many blockholders but you still have those that aren't so pleasant. Of course we have reserves who aren't very amiable either. Weren't the majority of the voters reserves during our PHL election? Where were the blockholders? Even if those who voted didn't vote the way I wanted them to, at least they voted.

I've gone to meetings, and I know how to vote. I've voted no, no, and no. I disagree with the notion that the BHs need to give up what we have left to make the RSV's life better. We should negotiate to make the contract better for all FAs on all issues. This does not include lowering the bar to make the schedules less flexible for BHs by taking away AIL or rotating reserve. From my standpoint, the money is not there to be made here, all that is left for me are the benefits and the extreme flexibility. I know that we have a crap reserve system, but why can't we think about how to fix that without making it seem like the whole problem lies with the BHs and their diva schedules?

Good for you for voting! We need more f/as like you! I agree, one group shouldn't be given all the flexibility and benefits at the expense of the other group. It should be something we can all agree on and be satisified with. There are a lot of things that need to be fixed in the reserve system that would not affect blockholders. Maybe if all of us here on the board can come up with some solutions together and bring it to the union as a cohesive group of flight attendants and then get our colleagues to buy into it we would have more success in getting what we want. I don't know. It's just a thought!

 

[USCREW]

yep!

I do feel bad about them losing their retirement for real. It's not right! But it is frustrating walking onto a plane or in a briefing room only to hear complaints about a reserve being on their trip. I enjoy working with many blockholders but you still have those that aren't so pleasant. Of course we have reserves who aren't very amiable either. Weren't the majority of the voters reserves during our PHL election? Where were the blockholders? Even if those who voted didn't vote the way I wanted them to, at least they voted.

So have you planned for your retirement? I have since I started here. You could learn from the examples of F/As who didn't have a plan B. You don't want to be in a position thirty years from now, hoping a bunch of reserves will save your retirement. That would be laughable, huh?

 

[N109UW]

So have you planned for your retirement? I have since I started here. You could learn from the examples of F/As who didn't have a plan B. You don't want to be in a position thirty years from now, hoping a bunch of reserves will save your retirement. That would be laughable, huh?

That's like saying, "you don't want to wait for a bunch of BH's to help you with your rsv problems" Talk about laughable, huh? So we know were you stand. Enjoy your block. We'll work on our own problems, thanks.

 

[USCREW]

That's like saying, "you don't want to wait for a bunch of BH's to help you with your rsv problems" Talk about laughable, huh? So we know were you stand. Enjoy your block. We'll work on our own problems, thanks.

If the contract is so pro-BHs, who do you think did most of the voting?

 

[FlightChic]

So have you planned for your retirement? I have since I started here. You could learn from the examples of F/As who didn't have a plan B. You don't want to be in a position thirty years from now, hoping a bunch of reserves will save your retirement. That would be laughable, huh?

That would be laughable! Can you imagine? Unfortunately, there are reserves who have not planned for their retirement. God help them!

I have started planning for my retirement thank goodness. Even though I contribute the max to my 401K I don't really count on just that. I opened an IRA last year and I contribute the maximum amount that I can. When I leave US Airways, I will roll my 401K over to the Roth or maybe even invest it in something more lucrative. I also have a retirement account from my former job that I still maintain. I would roll it all over to my Roth or start a new one but I may go back to my former job in a few years and so I decided to leave it alone for now. As long as I don't take the money out, I will maintain my "seniority" for salary purposes. That sounds strange but I read all through the pamplet and even called and talked with someone. It has something to do with the government.

 

[USCREW]

That would be laughable! Can you imagine? Unfortunately, there are reserves who have not planned for their retirement. God help them!

I have started planning for my retirement thank goodness.

I'm glad to hear it. It's sad when a person depends solely on this crazy company and industry. God forbid another event.

 

[SKY HIGH]

As I said, Self centered and only concerned about themselves and what is going on in their world. They are afraid of looking outside the box and possible helping others.

sky high states: OUR Retirees LOST their health benefits, right? Are YOU concerned? Looking to help them?
I can guarantee you, you read it in the news, thought, that sucked, and havent really given it any thought since!
Sound familiar?


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