Can anyone defend the IAM crossing the mechanic's picket line?

[delldude]

700UW please don't forget the 40% of the mechanics on NWA property voted for the IAM against AMFA . So to spite AMFA the IAM turned their backs on the 40% at NWA. Don't forget at U how the IAM almost wiped out the Utility classification at U but I guess they didn't for there are 50 left at U with several thousand waiting to be recalled. Do you think this is in play so the IAM can't be sued for non-representation. 700UW JUST THE FACTS AND NOT YOUR TAINTED OPINION.

yeah...just remember the membership crossed all by themselves.....

so who really turned their backs??

 

[700UW]

Don't forget at U how the IAM almost wiped out the Utility classification at U but I guess they didn't for there are 50 left at U with several thousand waiting to be recalled. Do you think this is in play so the IAM can't be sued for non-representation. 700UW JUST THE FACTS AND NOT YOUR TAINTED OPINION.

Were you in negotations?

Nope you were not.

The company wanted to totally wipe out utility, not the IAM, in the IAM's proposal to the company the largest eight stations would have had utility plus the mtc bases.

See I was there, you were not, the IAM stressed that utility must be kept at the bases and the company acquiesced in the final offer to that, the orginal final offer had no utility at all in it.

So why don't you get your facts straight and stop posting totally false information.

 

[AP Tech]

A total of 50 left between Clt & Pit out of a previous how many? Somewhat like winning a class action suit where millions are awarded and the plantiff's end up just getting a couple of bucks!!!

Fore the sake of arguement they are history!!

 

[700UW]

AP Tech,

Please explain how the IAM can be sued when the CBA was abrogated by a federal bankruptcy judge and per bankruptcy law the IAM was obligated to bring out the company's final offer to the membership for a vote.

Don't let the facts get in your way. There were over 700 utility laid-off.

 

[AP Tech]

Sorry 700, I did not mean to imply that the IAM could be sued with regards to the utility. It was just a statement of which I meant to show even though you win the suit you are not always victorous. Ask the last utility furloughed of whether or not he thinks the IAM "won" with regards to keeping utility on the property?

 

[Snafu]

AP Tech,

Please explain how the IAM can be sued when the CBA was abrogated by a federal bankruptcy judge and per bankruptcy law the IAM was obligated to bring out the company's final offer to the membership for a vote.

Don't let the facts get in your way. There were over 700 utility laid-off.

And is there any plan to bring them back since the merger??

 

[700UW]

They will have to bring back some for base when the HP fleet comes in-house and it is up to the company if they will ever be on the line again.

 

[PhxRanchHand]

They will have to bring back some for base when the HP fleet comes in-house and it is up to the company if they will ever be on the line again.

according to your definition of outsourcing, then by US doing HP's planes, then we are outsourcing to you, that puts you on the level of Timco and Aeroman.

So which is it??????

 

[delldude]

according to your definition of outsourcing, then by US doing HP's planes, then we are outsourcing to you, that puts you on the level of Timco and Aeroman.

So which is it??????

no it puts you in compliance with the IAM agreement.... and will bring back some 500 mechanics from furlough......and the IBT objections are holding these recalls up...even though the surviving contract be IAM eventually much to IBT's chagrin....

 

[Awa Contract]

Once again wishfull thinking on your behalf 700 - you do not know what they plan to do - you are dealing with Parker - HP brought phase checks in employing lots of mechanics and not one cleaner came back in house. Stick to the facts like you say

 

[700UW]

Since you dont do heavy mtc like we do on the east, I know what I am talking about as I have seen the manpower studies, have you?

Stick to the west and how you outsource, just like the ibt represented PSA agents are now losing their jobs as they are being laid-off and outsourced.

 

[UAL_TECH]

The AFA did support the IAM and the company went to court to force the AFA Members to work.

Well since Amfa raided the IAM at NWA, do you expect them to support them?

Amfa was out maneuvered by NWA and lost bad, they don't even have a strike fund to support their members and went on the web begging for money to be sent in via paypal.

Where do I even start with your dribble?

How about ‘raiding’.

What is ‘raiding’?

Offering someone a choice is considered ‘raiding’?
BS!

IAM:
Stood up to EAL but now does struck work (DOH!)!!! :blink:

IBT:
Lightening fast concessions at Continental (out of BK) without a whimper…….

TWU:
(See IBT but ‘with’ a whimper)

ALPA:
See IAM, IBT and TWU
-edited by me B)

AFA/PFAA:
See ALPA

AMFA:
Concessions at UAL, On Strike at NWA!

FYI, there is currently an IBT (and a ‘smaller’ IAM drive (not raid)) at UAL.
(But it doesn’t matter as the ‘membership’ is the same.)

Good Luck to us ‘ALL’,
B) UT

 

[pitguy]

The way I see it-

* Airways east at one time had 6200+ mechanics. Today it is around 1700. Can you say outsourcing? I remember the IAM saying members needed to vote 'yes' for this concession or that concession to protect 'scope' in the contract.

* Airways mechanics are either the lowest paid in the industry or close to it. Airways mechanics led the race to the bottom under the direction of the IAM.

* Tons and tons of grievances in PIT were not argued or dealt with by the PIT based grievance committee yet this same three received thousands of dollars from the company for overtime hours for grievance work supposable done by this committee. Some think it was a pay off. Frankly I would say about 1% of the grievances were ever dealt with while the rest appeared to have been trashed. It did not help matters when one of the grievance committee members would come to work in the morning drunk.

* Members have nothing to lose and nothing to fear by voting out the IAM since they are already at the bottom and have supported the IAM only to be now part of the working poor. The IAM has not and can not stop the company from doing what it wants. So why have the IAM around and pay them to steal from you?

 

[700UW]

Gee posting wrong info again?

First of all when a grievance committee person works extra hours for grievance work, they are all paid at straight time hours not overtime, per the CBA. Gee you are a manager and you don't even know that?

Second the IAM never gave a reccomendation on the final offer.

Third are you in labor relations and now answer third steps, system board or arbitrations? Managers only deal with the second step.

Guess you have never read the HMO, 401K, or the Airbus Arbitration?

 

[Awa Contract]

Maybe not a recomendation - they just voted it till the members saw it thier way