Will Nw Pilots Honor Picket Lines, Or Cross?
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Hackman, Your pointed attack is just what I would expect from someone that is very bitter and rightfully so. I do not accept your anger or name calling.
"I've read your hope, hope, hope posts NWA400. As a pilot, you hope you get to keep your big pension when you retire"
Well, without hope what does a man have? As a pilot I do hope to keep a pension but for your edificaton I believe firmly that there will be none. If I get to retire.
" don't want AMFA messing that up, right?"
I want you guys to do what you need to do! I hold no bitterness if it tanks NWA.
"You hope you don't have to go through what the NWA mechanics went through"
Well, your being quite presumptuous arent you? I have gone through it and was on strike. If you dont remember....there are 450 of my brothers still on the street and I do hurt.
"Your weakness is duly noted. You sound just like some of my spineless twu union leaders when the man comes knocking"
Ok, I understand your anger and your idea that you think you know me. The employees of NWA never cease to amaze me. I am a brother employee and you choose to call me weak and spineless? I am sorry you choose to take your anger out on me and not on the management team that you should.
" You hope the man doesn't come after you again, because you already gave in without a fight."
Gave in without a fight? No we took the route of being informed and paid millions of dollars to have an outside accounting firm come in and tell us what was real and not real. We saw that we needed to make sacrifices to make NWA a survivor.
"The mechanics know that pilots could give a damn as long as they get cheese cake with the correct topping in their crew meals, and their airplane flying along at 33,000 feet doesn't come apart."
This idea is totally irrational. For your information, I have always thought that NWA mechanics are the best and have enjoyed every minute of working with them AND I for one care and want you all to have a job. Your anger in the previous statement is well seen and not at all truth. I will gladly trade you the cheese cake and crew meals for all the nights at home that you spend with your family while I have sacrificed my family by being gone 16 nights a month for 20 years.
"I HOPE that cheap 3rd party maintenance you pilots so willingly accept keeps you safe."
So willingly accept? If it were up to me......I choose the current mechanics that nwa has. I have accepted "0" scabs nor will I. Again, your statement is anything but the truth.
In closing. I will never give up HOPE. I'm sorry that my HOPE offends you. I choose HOPE for the NWA mechanics and for all NWA employees. Please, do what you must but do not accuse me or call me names when you have no idea who you are talking to. Your disdane for HOPE and for me is just exactly what NWA management wants and you are playing right into their hands. I have stated before that I am not up to speed on the particulars of your dealings with NWA management. I intend to encourage my brothers on the maintance line and wish you all the best. Let there be NO question......nwa400 is behind my brothers and sisters at nwa. If you choose to strike, I wish you only the best.
"I've read your hope, hope, hope posts NWA400. As a pilot, you hope you get to keep your big pension when you retire"
Well, without hope what does a man have? As a pilot I do hope to keep a pension but for your edificaton I believe firmly that there will be none. If I get to retire.
" don't want AMFA messing that up, right?"
I want you guys to do what you need to do! I hold no bitterness if it tanks NWA.
"You hope you don't have to go through what the NWA mechanics went through"
Well, your being quite presumptuous arent you? I have gone through it and was on strike. If you dont remember....there are 450 of my brothers still on the street and I do hurt.
"Your weakness is duly noted. You sound just like some of my spineless twu union leaders when the man comes knocking"
Ok, I understand your anger and your idea that you think you know me. The employees of NWA never cease to amaze me. I am a brother employee and you choose to call me weak and spineless? I am sorry you choose to take your anger out on me and not on the management team that you should.
" You hope the man doesn't come after you again, because you already gave in without a fight."
Gave in without a fight? No we took the route of being informed and paid millions of dollars to have an outside accounting firm come in and tell us what was real and not real. We saw that we needed to make sacrifices to make NWA a survivor.
"The mechanics know that pilots could give a damn as long as they get cheese cake with the correct topping in their crew meals, and their airplane flying along at 33,000 feet doesn't come apart."
This idea is totally irrational. For your information, I have always thought that NWA mechanics are the best and have enjoyed every minute of working with them AND I for one care and want you all to have a job. Your anger in the previous statement is well seen and not at all truth. I will gladly trade you the cheese cake and crew meals for all the nights at home that you spend with your family while I have sacrificed my family by being gone 16 nights a month for 20 years.
"I HOPE that cheap 3rd party maintenance you pilots so willingly accept keeps you safe."
So willingly accept? If it were up to me......I choose the current mechanics that nwa has. I have accepted "0" scabs nor will I. Again, your statement is anything but the truth.
In closing. I will never give up HOPE. I'm sorry that my HOPE offends you. I choose HOPE for the NWA mechanics and for all NWA employees. Please, do what you must but do not accuse me or call me names when you have no idea who you are talking to. Your disdane for HOPE and for me is just exactly what NWA management wants and you are playing right into their hands. I have stated before that I am not up to speed on the particulars of your dealings with NWA management. I intend to encourage my brothers on the maintance line and wish you all the best. Let there be NO question......nwa400 is behind my brothers and sisters at nwa. If you choose to strike, I wish you only the best.
NWA/AMT,
If you choose to think that there is no hope that is fine. I choose otherwise. Is it right that you ask me not to speak of hope and you post your ideas? Your right about one thing. I have posted not a word to NWA management......because they could care less about being on this board and talking to other nwa employees. I do not frequent this board enough to see anyone from the nwa management team here. If I thought it would encourage anyone from the management team to stop the bashing of employees and start running an airline....I would write them. Just for you NWA/AMT......I think that this management team is way out of line. I think they have not kept their word and taken the flight attendants, pilots, mechanics,cleaners and every other employee to the cleaners. I think that they have an employee group that could turn huge profits if they would run an airline instead of trying to beat the employees to death with pay cuts. I still choose to have hope for the future. Here or where ever I wind up working. I honor whatever you choose to do.
If you choose to think that there is no hope that is fine. I choose otherwise. Is it right that you ask me not to speak of hope and you post your ideas? Your right about one thing. I have posted not a word to NWA management......because they could care less about being on this board and talking to other nwa employees. I do not frequent this board enough to see anyone from the nwa management team here. If I thought it would encourage anyone from the management team to stop the bashing of employees and start running an airline....I would write them. Just for you NWA/AMT......I think that this management team is way out of line. I think they have not kept their word and taken the flight attendants, pilots, mechanics,cleaners and every other employee to the cleaners. I think that they have an employee group that could turn huge profits if they would run an airline instead of trying to beat the employees to death with pay cuts. I still choose to have hope for the future. Here or where ever I wind up working. I honor whatever you choose to do.
nwa400 said:
I asked you to save them, not to 'not speak of them'. You don't need my approval or that of anyone else to speak of hope or anything you wish, but it is unrealistic not to expect others to respond when you do.
Having attended NWA/AMFA negotiations, or at least having been as close to the table as NWA would allow observers to get this time, and comparing that environment with what I observed in 2000/2001, I stand by my comments regarding 'hope'. Eliminating jobs and gutting the contract to remove any chance of recall removes any 'hope' from the NWA mechanics equation.
I wish the choice we were being given were those that AA presented to their mechanics and their other employees. The NWA mechanics are being asked to give up half the jobs now and the rest later.
Yet many lower and middle managers do, particularly in maintenance, if only to look for their own names. If they were to post, it would be nice to assume they are too smart to allow themselves to be identified.
I can certainly agree with the unspoken conclusion contained in that statement.
If you're doing it just for me, you're doing it for the wrong reason.
Absolutely! They have still not kept their promises from the LAST round of concessions and we are supposed to believe them this time?
Hope for the future is one thing, but it is also important to be realistic about the present as well.
Thank you. Good luck to you.
Kev3188
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NWA/AMT said:
That and good weather.
Kev3188
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Hackman said:
Wow! Check this out! An AMT showing disdain toward a ramper! Haven't ever seen that before. What an original post!
Gee, I wonder why all my co-workers aren't sprinting to the union hall to help make picket signs?
Why is everybody so blind on this thread. Haven't you been keeping up with whats happening at U & UAL? This labor dispute is playing right into managements hands. What you obviously don't see is that they will use it to declare bankruptcy and squash all goups contracts and pensions. It is the going trend. All the airlines will do this one by one. The court is prostituting itself to big business and giving them all they want. BK court is just a tool to be used by corporate america to line their pockets and take your pensions. Make no mistake. BTW: the pilots are to greedy to honor any picket line!!! The End
StraaightTaalk
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The pilots will only honor a picket line, if...
1. There is something in it for them.
2. If that "something" is better than any other employee group will get, bolstering their neurotic need to feel superior.
These "masters of the universe" will not hesitate to cut a side-deal for themselves, while negotiating back room agreements dictating to management what they will and will not take from the other employee groups.
Just take a look at the UAL pilots, and their earlier attempt to negotiate the termination of the other employee groups' retirement plans, until the judge told these spoiled children that they cannot negotiate the outcome for another union.
1. There is something in it for them.
2. If that "something" is better than any other employee group will get, bolstering their neurotic need to feel superior.
These "masters of the universe" will not hesitate to cut a side-deal for themselves, while negotiating back room agreements dictating to management what they will and will not take from the other employee groups.
Just take a look at the UAL pilots, and their earlier attempt to negotiate the termination of the other employee groups' retirement plans, until the judge told these spoiled children that they cannot negotiate the outcome for another union.
StraaightTaalk said:
Typical ST post: uninformed and false. FTR, the UAL pilots 'negotiated' a clause that simply said "all or nothing", ie if others get to keep their pensions, they would also. Nowhere, and at no time did the UAL pilots demand or request the termination of anyone elses' pension (with the possible exceptioon of Goodwin's). now back to your hole.
StraaightTaalk
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Busdrvr said:
Oh, yes, Busdrvr. The UAL pilots are such princes.
