Can anyone defend the IAM crossing the mechanic's picket line?

[smorzando]

Hmmmm.....you're here too smorz.....so what's your point?

If it's over your head, GONZZZZZO, forget it always will be....BUT I’ll try to explain:


Pitguy is stirring the pot, he was management, he hates the IAM, he loves himself and feels anyone who doesn't think as he does is the fool, he pretends to be a Christian yet starts this kind of crappie thread and people like YOU GONZO fill his need.

 

[aafsc]

AMFA has always claimed that they do not need anyone else and that they and they alone could shut an airline down by withholding their skills. They claimed that the unskilled ground workers were "riding their coattails" and holding them back (In spite of the fact when Lorenzo put CO in bankruptcy in the early 1980s and paid ramp minimum wage with no benefits the CO mechanic's salary did not double overnight but in fact decreased significantly as well). I have no problem at all with a "mechanics only" union. However, AMFA has no right to criticize the IAM because of AMFA's 40 year claim that they don't need strength in numbers in association with the unskilled. AMFA made their bed, let them lie in it. The main idealogy of AMFA was to get all the airline mechanics into their craft union. This being the case, why are they bashing the IAM instead of asking "Where is the support from our AMFA brothers at UA, Alaska, Horizon, etc.?" The fact is that NWA had a detailed plan as to where AMFA had no plan. This lack of a plan on AMFA's part led to a complete loss of confidence in their leadership and the AMFA members crossed their own picket lines in droves (some were former IAM officers and supporters and some were local AMFA officers, supporters, and AMFA T-shirt peddlers). I am not a defender of the IAM because in my opinion, it has degenerated significantly since the EAL strike ( as evidenced by what happened in PHL) but the IAM is not to blame for AMFA's total failure at NWA, AMFA is.

 

[pitguy]

Yes I am in management (that is not a crime), but I am very sympathetic to unions. I have been very active in unions including paid and elected positions with the IAM. I do despise the IAM because of what they have done to the mechanics at Airways and now at Northwest. I am not stirring the pot and what I say is how I feel. If you want to keep paying a union that has done nothing but hurt the mechanics in the industry then go ahead. When is enough enough?


~If you like your paycheck then vote IAM. If you do not like your paycheck then maybe it is time to take the first step in making a change.


FYI: East management wants the IAM to stay. That should tell you something.

 

[awausairtech]

Can anyone defend IBT member crossing picket lines? How about AMFA's own members crossing?

WE AT AWA WEST DID NOT CROSS NO LINES AS IBT MEMBERS WE ARE TRUE UNION BROTHERS.. WE LET THE IAM DO THAT!!!

 

[700UW]

Yes I am in management I do despise the IAM because of what they have done to the mechanics at Airways and now at Northwest.

First of management did it to the mechanics, not the IAM, second the judge did to the mechanics not the IAM, third the members made their choice by ratifying the final offer.

Why don't you despise ALPA, and the PFAA they have not honored the mechanics strike?

Why don't you despise the ibt then the ibt represented flight attendants flew stuck work flights for NWA so NWA did not have to cancel flights?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[awausairtech]

First of management did it to the mechanics, not the IAM, second the judge did to the mechanics not the IAM, third the members made their choice by ratifying the final offer.

Why don't you despise ALPA, and the PFAA they have not honored the mechanics strike?

Why don't you despise the ibt then the ibt represented flight attendants flew stuck work flights for NWA so NWA did not have to cancel flights?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

ITS OK MR 7 THEY HAD THE FINE iam MECH's WORKING ON THE AIRCRAFT While The AMFA AMT's Walked The LINE.
So Bash The IBT.
By The Way Your Back Yard Is Dirty.

 

[700UW]

The IAM members are not fixing airplanes at NWA.

 

[pitguy]

I think we all understand that. The problem I have is the IAM is crossing the picket line there. It is a legal picket line of aircraft mechanics and the IAM is crossing it.

 

[700UW]

Do you have a problem with ALPA crossing it?

Do you have a problem with the PFAA crossing it?

Do you have problem with the ibt picking up and performing struck work?

You are just a stirrer.

 

[gonzo]

You are just a stirrer.

That is a very funny statement coming from you 7. You like to use a big "spoon" yourself.....LOL.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Do you have a problem with ALPA crossing it?

Do you have a problem with the PFAA crossing it?

Do you have problem with the ibt picking up and performing struck work?

You are just a stirrer.

Another example of putting the spotlight somewhere else........diversion of the original topic. An attempt to make another look worse.

 

[700UW]

Just holding everyone to the same standard, each of the groups did the samething, yet only people attack the IAM.

Seems like a double standard.

 

[roadtrip]

Airwoman:

my advice about you know who!

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[AIRWOMAN]

Just holding everyone to the same standard, each of the groups did the samething, yet only people attack the IAM.

Seems like a double standard.

The double standard abounds on these threads. But certain posters are more apt to state that all groups have their flaws. Of course there is going to be some defense of their own group just as you do......defend your group.

Personally, I have NEVER been put in the situation of having to or not having to cross a picket line so I wouldn't even begin to defend or support. My little disclaimer.

 

[smorzando]

Personally, I have NEVER been put in the situation of having to or not having to cross a picket line so I wouldn't even begin to defend or support. My little disclaimer.

That statement is not a truth statement in that it twists the fact, the fact that, that situation requires a personal decision of either crossing and screwing ones brothers and sisters or not crossing and remaining united. That one statement clarifies the woes facing unions in this country. People feel they have a choice when in reality they have already made their choice simply by that kind of attitude. Corporate America loves that attitude because with it they can use labor as play dough to mold bend and twist it anyway they want and the way they use it displaces thousands of hard working Americans. Like the moron in the white house says, it’s good thing other economies are booming. Better get your Master Degree so McDonalds will hire you, that is where this road is leading.