Can anyone defend the IAM crossing the mechanic's picket line?

[700UW]

There was one vote on the final offer.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[Awa Contract]

I did not - you had the membership vote the same offer twice - I guess you call it the final offer cause you got the results the IAM wanted

 

[700UW]

Just like an ibt rep to distort the truth.

There was only one final offer and one vote on it.

Keep trying.

 

[pitguy]

700,
Don't you think they should work the extra hours to get paid for them?

Most of the grievances go into a dark hole and never come out. I am familiar with the process.

You should quit mixing up the truth with your lie, deny and make counter accusations type defense. Typical IAM crap.


Please answer the following?

1- In PIT what percentage of grievances are thrown away? I know folks who have filed over 100 and have never ever heard back about any of them.

2- In PIT does the grievance committee work every hour they are paid for or do they fudge their records and the company go along with it? Has it ever happened in the past? Does this appear to be a pay off?

 

[700UW]

Nope, there was a revote on the first round of concessions one month after US filed chapter 11 in 02.

There was one vote on Concessions in Jan of 03 and one vote in January of 05.

 

[700UW]

ALPA, AFA, AMFA, CWA, IAM, PFAA, and the TWU have all recieved reimbursements from each airline when concessions are negotiated.

Itemized bills for lost time, hotel, lodging and experts were submitted and the company paid up to a certain dollar amount.

The reason was confusion and Dave Siegel saying he was going to hold his own vote. The decision was made by the international after all the e-mails and phone calls recieved.

 

[allstrike]

Do tell. What was the talk from the IAM?? :unsure:

Any one who crossed the picket line was called a scab..the only group that I came into contact with was the AFA who stopped by and gave us hot coffee and pick me ups on the picket line in Boston they were simpathetic...but....

 

[delldude]

I did not - you had the membership vote the same offer twice - I guess you call it the final offer cause you got the results the IAM wanted

hey smack....it was what the membership asked for..........

 

[pitguy]

700,
Don't you think they should work the extra hours to get paid for them?

Most of the grievances go into a dark hole and never come out. I am familiar with the process.

You should quit mixing up the truth with your lie, deny and make counter accusations type defense. Typical IAM crap.
Please answer the following?

1- In PIT what percentage of grievances are thrown away? I know folks who have filed over 100 and have never ever heard back about any of them.

2- In PIT does the grievance committee work every hour they are paid for or do they fudge their records and the company go along with it? Has it ever happened in the past? Does this appear to be a pay off?

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700 are your going to answer this?

Remember now this is grievance work only and not other union business (or playing around) that they can get the extra pay for.

 

[700UW]

I dont work in PIT I cant speak for what goes on there.

I have not put one lie in my post, I showed you to be wrong on hours paid.

Since you are a member of base management, why don't you tell us?

 

[pitguy]

You did not show me wrong on hours paid. I know how it works. Pay them at straight time. The problem I have is folks being paid for hours not worked.

~I do not work in base management.

 

[700UW]

You did not show me wrong on hours paid. I know how it works. Pay them at straight time. The problem I have is folks being paid for hours not worked.

~I do not work in base management.

* Tons and tons of grievances in PIT were not argued or dealt with by the PIT based grievance committee yet this same three received thousands of dollars from the company for overtime hours for grievance work supposable done by this committee. Some think it was a pay off. Frankly I would say about 1% of the grievances were ever dealt with while the rest appeared to have been trashed. It did not help matters when one of the grievance committee members would come to work in the morning drunk.

So which is it?

In one post you say overtime hours paid and the next post after I corrected you then you say you know how it works and I did not prove you wrong.

Proof is in your post.

 

[pitguy]

Let me put it in very simple terms for you. They are paid straight time for hours worked over 40 hours per week, but only for grievance work. Even though it is straight time it is pay above normal 40 hour per week pay so I referred to it as overtime. Hence pay for hours not normally worked. Now the problem is that it isn't working that way and people are being paid for time they are not doing grievance work (some think of it as a payoff). If you do not understand that perhaps I can draw pictures and post on here to illustrate for you.



{Extra hours = Overtime}

- I am starting to come to the conclusion that maybe you do not deserve any more money then the change they pay you now.

 

[delldude]

Let me put it in very simple terms for you. They are paid straight time for hours worked over 40 hours per week, but only for grievance work. Even though it is straight time it is pay above normal 40 hour per week pay so I referred to it as overtime. Hence pay for hours not normally worked. Now the problem is that it isn’t working that way and people are being paid for time they are not doing grievance work (think of it as a payoff). If you do not understand that perhaps I can draw pictures and post on here to illustrate for you.
{Extra hours = Overtime}

- I am starting to come to the conclusion that maybe you do not deserve any more money then the change they pay you now.

yeah they work those hours and its why they fly outa there most days so they can have a life with their family...

dude you gotta boner for them dudes...whats your beef?

you used to tell me 'you oughta see franks 1099'....guarantee you never did...

 

[pitguy]

Long hours? I would say more like part time hours. They have you fooled or you are being untruthful. Look at Frank's W-2 not his 1099. I don't like them because I feel they do not represent the members well and because they receive undeserved money.

-I guarantee I have seen the figures.




~Feel free to keep what you have there. It looks like a chump change job that will never get better until you get the IAM out. Maybe you do not deserve anything better.