APFA plans pretend strikes on Nov. 18

[galleyguy4u2]

I happen to agree with the writer.

 

[Flyboy4u]

In short the writer of that letter is lazy and want something for nothing.

How can someone who express there point of view towards their own union, and go as far as writing a letter to their union presidenet be lazy? Also, Please do tell us all what this person may want for nothing by expressing his/her view?

 

[nbmcg01]

How can someone who express there point of view towards their own union, and go as far as writing a letter to their union presidenet be lazy? Also, Please do tell us all what this person may want for nothing by expressing his/her view?

The f/a writing this letter is anything but lazy. The person is very junior and fully understands the attack on those in a non pay status.. Potentially, one could "owe" several thousand dollars after a layoff and would have to pay all back dues to EVER be able to vote again. Most unions charge a token fee like $2-$5 a month for those on non pay status and I don't think anyone would have balked at that.. If the coffers are that bare then the APFA has more problems than can be addressed here. Also, the real reason behind this is an upcoming strike vote. Who is most likely to vote "no"? So lets just take away the ability to vote from those who have lost their means of support. MILITARY, IOD, short.long term disability/maternity, furlough, with-held pending, any non paid status. It is one thing to have done this when evryone is working and you change it for any FUTURE occurances but this motive is a little transparent..

Also, be certain to read the provision on how the negotiating team is "selected". Very little choice for the line f/a.

 

[FA Mikey]

1. Have all union meetings in Euless, TX (Stop wasting money on hotels
and extravagant meals)

With thousands of members based through out the country, it is only fair that meetings be made convenient for members who do not live in Dallas.

2. Stop sending out stupid disks to wear behind our apfa pins. We
don't need a yellow/red plastic disk behind our apfa pins to show
unity to the company.

One time. one mailing. Like the luggage tags it is a way to show unity and solidarity to the cause. You need to give the members tools to show the company you mean business.

3. Stop sending out stupid pamphlets to keep us up to date on
negotiations and events. Post it on the website. We all have computers
and an iPhone, BlackBerry, PDA or some type of device to access the
internet on the go.

Nice thought, but all members do not have computers and some have not been on the internet. It is also important to help give information and stamp out some of the galley gossip. Depending on people to listen to the hotline and go to the website is great in theory but reality they just dont go.

4. Any union leader who does not live in DFW, should not be allowed to
have an apartment or a car rental paid by the membership. Commuters
don't get an apartment or car rental paid for, why should you? It's
your choice to be an apfa leader and having to commute to/from your
hometowns, not ours.

Trying to get the best people to do the thankless union work is hard enough. Asking them to also take on an additional hardship is thoughtless.

I am against Resolution 4: We tried phone balloting back in 2003 after
we voted NO on concessions. We all know how that ended up! Having it
done electronically has issues as well. We can't trust you with our
ballots through phone or electronically. You have deceived us before
and you can do it again.

Wake up that was AA that secured the phone balloting to speed up the process. It also happened under john ward and not Laura Gladding.

Ms. Glading, I have asked you before for your resignation and I am
asking again. Please resign and allow someone who knows what they are
doing to take your place. In fact, I ask all of the R2R slate to
resign. You have all failed this membership and we need leaders to
lead this union now and in the future.

In Disgust,

Unsigned by someone who thinks anyone can do the job , but is not willing to stand up themselves.

 

[jersey777]

This letter writer has as much of an axe to grind with the APFA as galleyguy4u2. Neither one deserves a response because they are not able to debate issues without digressing into hyper bitterness and there is no point discussing serious issues with a lost cause.

 

[nbmcg01]

With thousands of members based through out the country, it is only fair that meetings be made convenient for members who do not live in Dallas.

One time. one mailing. Like the luggage tags it is a way to show unity and solidarity to the cause. You need to give the members tools to show the company you mean business.

Nice thought, but all members do not have computers and some have not been on the internet. It is also important to help give information and stamp out some of the galley gossip. Depending on people to listen to the hotline and go to the website is great in theory but reality they just dont go.

Trying to get the best people to do the thankless union work is hard enough. Asking them to also take on an additional hardship is thoughtless.

Wake up that was AA that secured the phone balloting to speed up the process. It also happened under john ward and not Laura Gladding.


Unsigned by someone who thinks anyone can do the job , but is not willing to stand up themselves.

It wasn't unsigned, the name was just not posted. This is a very frustrated junior f/a who is near the "fruits" of this union's activities.

 

[Skymess]

The f/a writing this letter is anything but lazy. The person is very junior and fully understands the attack on those in a non pay status.. Potentially, one could "owe" several thousand dollars after a layoff and would have to pay all back dues to EVER be able to vote again. Most unions charge a token fee like $2-$5 a month for those on non pay status and I don't think anyone would have balked at that.. If the coffers are that bare then the APFA has more problems than can be addressed here. Also, the real reason behind this is an upcoming strike vote. Who is most likely to vote "no"? So lets just take away the ability to vote from those who have lost their means of support. MILITARY, IOD, short.long term disability/maternity, furlough, with-held pending, any non paid status. It is one thing to have done this when evryone is working and you change it for any FUTURE occurances but this motive is a little transparent..

Also, be certain to read the provision on how the negotiating team is "selected". Very little choice for the line f/a.

All other FAs on leaves pay union dues while out, why shouldn't furloughed FAs? Furloughed FAs interests are being represented and fought for with APFA dues money so putting some money back into APFA shouldn't be a problem. I do agree, however, that the rates for unemployed should be reduced to a percentage and not the full amount per month if the furloughed FA doesn't want to vote. If the furloughed FA does want to vote than they should have to pay the full amount.

The real reason for not allowing furloughs to vote without paying dues is not the upcoming strike vote. The real reason is to bust up a group of flight attendants who seem to have nothing better to do than start trouble and block vote things that would hurt the rest of the active membership. Some people you are intimately acquainted with. No pay no vote will serve to weed out a bunch of trouble makers who vote because it's free and also has the potential to concurrently add money to the APFA coffers.

 

[nbmcg01]

All other FAs on leaves pay union dues while out, why shouldn't furloughed FAs? Furloughed FAs interests are being represented and fought for with APFA dues money so putting some money back into APFA shouldn't be a problem. I do agree, however, that the rates for unemployed should be reduced to a percentage and not the full amount per month if the furloughed FA doesn't want to vote. If the furloughed FA does want to vote than they should have to pay the full amount.

The real reason for not allowing furloughs to vote without paying dues is not the upcoming strike vote. The real reason is to bust up a group of flight attendants who seem to have nothing better to do than start trouble and block vote things that would hurt the rest of the active membership. Some people you are intimately acquainted with. No pay no vote will serve to weed out a bunch of trouble makers who vote because it's free and also has the potential to concurrently add money to the APFA coffers.

Now Chris, LG says it has NOTHING to do with a targeted group and we ALL know LG NEVER lies. Most unions charge a token amt. in the $2-$5 range, something that would have more than covered the SUPERB representation those furloughed have received. And do you seriously think we will let anyone wanting to vote become ineligible? How strange that with 18,000 f/as anyone gets their panties in a bunch over the 600 to 800 (and I may be generous with that number) that actually vote. Time and money would be better spent educating the work force on the responsibilities of being a union member. 18000 and it is perceived that 6 to 800 can control a vote. Seriously!

 

[L1011Ret]

No way unemployed employees should pay the same amount as employed employees. It does not make sense. I'll bet there are court and NMB rulings that would take issue with this proposed amendment.

 

[coldplay]

No way unemployed employees should pay the same amount as employed employees. It does not make sense. I'll bet there are court and NMB rulings that would take issue with this proposed amendment.

why shouldn't they pay the same amount? they are and would be receiving the same benefits the union provides as the employed employees when they come back to work don't they?
Just because they go inactive does it mean the union STOPS their representation and they continue at the point they ended with at the time they go inactive upon return? No.

and once again it didn't take long for ex-twa to turn this resolution as something solely directed at them by the APFA,

yeah I know they'll come up with the same ole sob tune of "but all those on furlough are ex-twa!"...if you want to go down that road then wouldn't it be viable to say that THEY brought it onto themselves with the selling of their voting block to the one who can promise them something in return and other shenanigans started by them. take at look at the STL Base elections, they got an invisible ex-twa guy to be their base chair...who the heck voted for him? Block votes, just another way for them to say F You APFA! after all they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by making a mockery of the APFA.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

With thousands of members based through out the country, it is only fair that meetings be made convenient for members who do not live in Dallas.

One time. one mailing. Like the luggage tags it is a way to show unity and solidarity to the cause. You need to give the members tools to show the company you mean business.

Nice thought, but all members do not have computers and some have not been on the internet. It is also important to help give information and stamp out some of the galley gossip. Depending on people to listen to the hotline and go to the website is great in theory but reality they just dont go.

Trying to get the best people to do the thankless union work is hard enough. Asking them to also take on an additional hardship is thoughtless.

Wake up that was AA that secured the phone balloting to speed up the process. It also happened under john ward and not Laura Gladding.


Unsigned by someone who thinks anyone can do the job , but is not willing to stand up themselves.

Mikey, you are quoting me. None of these are my postings. Get it right.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

With thousands of members based through out the country, it is only fair that meetings be made convenient for members who do not live in Dallas.

One time. one mailing. Like the luggage tags it is a way to show unity and solidarity to the cause. You need to give the members tools to show the company you mean business.

Nice thought, but all members do not have computers and some have not been on the internet. It is also important to help give information and stamp out some of the galley gossip. Depending on people to listen to the hotline and go to the website is great in theory but reality they just dont go.

Trying to get the best people to do the thankless union work is hard enough. Asking them to also take on an additional hardship is thoughtless.

Wake up that was AA that secured the phone balloting to speed up the process. It also happened under john ward and not Laura Gladding.



Mikey, you are quoting me. None of these are my postings. Get it right.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

No way unemployed employees should pay the same amount as employed employees. It does not make sense. I'll bet there are court and NMB rulings that would take issue with this proposed amendment.

For once I do agree with Bill. I am sure we will have court issues with this change. Oh, the DOL and the NMB must be getting tired of APFA.

 

[nbmcg01]

why shouldn't they pay the same amount? they are and would be receiving the same benefits the union provides as the employed employees when they come back to work don't they?
Just because they go inactive does it mean the union STOPS their representation and they continue at the point they ended with at the time they go inactive upon return? No.

and once again it didn't take long for ex-twa to turn this resolution as something solely directed at them by the APFA,

yeah I know they'll come up with the same ole sob tune of "but all those on furlough are ex-twa!"...if you want to go down that road then wouldn't it be viable to say that THEY brought it onto themselves with the selling of their voting block to the one who can promise them something in return and other shenanigans started by them. take at look at the STL Base elections, they got an invisible ex-twa guy to be their base chair...who the heck voted for him? Block votes, just another way for them to say F You APFA! after all they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by making a mockery of the APFA.

This is a poll tax pure and simple. While it is true that all furloughed are former TWA the reality of being out of work is very close to the non TWA f/as also. Non active do not require as much time as the active. This is a proven fact. It has also been a fact that when those furloughed do have issues and require assistance from Euless, they are put on the back burner. 'Got to take care of the actives".
Voting block: There are only 1400 left and of those MAYBE 6-800 vote. That is out of 18000 f/as, Shame on anyone who doesn't vote. Throw the baby out with the bath water. You would think the f/as would have learned their lesson about GIVING away rights (RPA). As for the SLT Base Chair, I have never heard any bad comments about Tim's representation and just who do you think pushed for the DOL to investigate the SLT election which many of us believe Nena actually won the first time. She is rightfully in the Vice Chair position. It almost took an act of Congress to get her paid for work she was doing for the base.
The APFA is doing a fine job of making a mockery of themselves. Poll tax, pure and simple.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Just some observations and opinions.

In 1986 it took Icahn/TWA a full month to bring the airline back to 100% of former schedule even with a large pool of replacements and months of preparation, and we were a much smaller airline. In today's economic environment such an action could not be tolerated.

I still say it won't happen.

MK