AMFA Drive started in Tulsa ?

The last paragraph should get alot of AMFA cards signed !!!!!!!!!!!



TO: ALL PRESIDENTS/NEGOTIATORS
Dear Brothers:
The bankruptcy judge has placed the 1113 negotiations process under the direction of another bankruptcy judge who has no involvement with the case itself. He will coordinate this process.
That judge, who volunteered to help the parties attempt to settle the 1113 litigation, has provided a time schedule to the unions for a mediation type process. He has a full caseload and, as a result, he has to balance his other duties between the three unions. He is starting with the pilots, moving to the flight attendants and then on to us. Our lawyers will learn the protocols and process at the end of this week, as the judge is scheduled out of town at the beginning of the week.
We need to get ready and outline our approach. I am asking each of the negotiators for ALL of the contract groups to come to DFW next week. I am setting a one-day legal strategy session for next Wednesday, May 30, 2012.
I am scheduling that Wednesday to assist with travel plans after a holiday weekend. We will start at 11:30 and end at 17:00 at the Hurst Convention Center. (We will have a working lunch). We have asked Mark Richard to facilitate the meeting.
Finally, the reason I am asking all title groups to attend is to assure that we strategize about our top negotiation goals -- to police and enforce the “me too” clauses for those units that accepted the last offer , and obviously to try to obtain an equitable contract for our Stores and M&R members that is worthy of ratification.
Fraternally,
Robert Gless
Deputy Director Air Transport Division
 
why should the "me-too" clause even be attempted to be enforced? they voted in the lbo and we did not, they chose their fate. why should they benifit off us? (again) we chose to go a different way in hope for something better. if they wanted that they should've voted it down and went along with the m&e/stores group. maybe as a union we could have stood a lot stronger rather than selling their soles cause they were scared.
 
The last paragraph should get alot of AMFA cards signed !!!!!!!!!!!



TO: ALL PRESIDENTS/NEGOTIATORS
Dear Brothers:
The bankruptcy judge has placed the 1113 negotiations process under the direction of another bankruptcy judge who has no involvement with the case itself. He will coordinate this process.
That judge, who volunteered to help the parties attempt to settle the 1113 litigation, has provided a time schedule to the unions for a mediation type process. He has a full caseload and, as a result, he has to balance his other duties between the three unions. He is starting with the pilots, moving to the flight attendants and then on to us. Our lawyers will learn the protocols and process at the end of this week, as the judge is scheduled out of town at the beginning of the week.
We need to get ready and outline our approach. I am asking each of the negotiators for ALL of the contract groups to come to DFW next week. I am setting a one-day legal strategy session for next Wednesday, May 30, 2012.
I am scheduling that Wednesday to assist with travel plans after a holiday weekend. We will start at 11:30 and end at 17:00 at the Hurst Convention Center. (We will have a working lunch). We have asked Mark Richard to facilitate the meeting.
Finally, the reason I am asking all title groups to attend is to assure that we strategize about our top negotiation goals -- to police and enforce the “me too” clauses for those units that accepted the last offer , and obviously to try to obtain an equitable contract for our Stores and M&R members that is worthy of ratification.
Fraternally,
Robert Gless
Deputy Director Air Transport Division

Bobby Gless who the hell are you talking to about a holiday weekend. You and all of the other unelected pieces of crap at the int that don't live under this contract, gave that holiday and others away for us. As for the equitable contracts where was the equality and me to clause in 2003. You are nothing more than sellout just like all the other unelected in the int. Why did not get to sit in on the other work groups neg so why do they get to sit in on m&r and stores? I can't wait until the people that you don't represent kick your sorry butt to the curb at aa.
 
Why would you sign a AMFA card just for change! I am of the belief that we most definitely need a change. I also saw what happened when the card drive came down to the end. These sign just for change guys lost their back bone and resumed drinking the TWU cool-aid. If you really want change, use that empty space between your ears and get informed for the change you want. Lets hear what your idea for change is and who you think would bring the best results for our group. I say lets hear what AMFA has to say and what AMP has to say and lets make a choice on who has the best plan for M&R going forward
 
why should the "me-too" clause even be attempted to be enforced? they voted in the lbo and we did not, they chose their fate. why should they benifit off us? (again) we chose to go a different way in hope for something better. if they wanted that they should've voted it down and went along with the m&e/stores group. maybe as a union we could have stood a lot stronger rather than selling their soles cause they were scared.
Strength in numbers doesn't always work out as planned. Union autonomy doesn't work so well with a 'me too' clause.
IMHO, the 'me too' clause assures the company that 'whatever' any group gets beyond the term sheets will be applied to the 'me too' contracts.
Absolutely, it's not right and it's not fair, the problem is it's "LEGAL".
The union could have rejected the 'me too' clause but would find itself in litigation as not protecting the membership.
The company did not have to offer the 'me too' clause, but it would be foolish not to as the other contracts met their ask and the 'me too' puts pressure on everyone else.
Clearly, this 'me too' should be illegal, but it's not.
Hell, why have unions if everyone just had a 'me too' clause?
Problem is, the 'me too' does not apply to the "executive class & BOD".
Put a 'me too' clause that includes them, and the clause will go away.
B) xUT


JMHO&PO,
B) xUT
 
Bobby Gless who the hell are you talking to about a holiday weekend. You and all of the other unelected pieces of crap at the int that don't live under this contract, gave that holiday and others away for us. As for the equitable contracts where was the equality and me to clause in 2003. You are nothing more than sellout just like all the other unelected in the int. Why did not get to sit in on the other work groups neg so why do they get to sit in on m&r and stores? I can't wait until the people that you don't represent kick your sorry butt to the curb at aa.

You right on the money, I second all that. Like Dennis said they are low life m%^&$ f#$%#@.
 
Why would you sign a AMFA card just for change! I am of the belief that we most definitely need a change. I also saw what happened when the card drive came down to the end. These sign just for change guys lost their back bone and resumed drinking the TWU cool-aid. If you really want change, use that empty space between your ears and get informed for the change you want. Lets hear what your idea for change is and who you think would bring the best results for our group. I say lets hear what AMFA has to say and what AMP has to say and lets make a choice on who has the best plan for M&R going forward

Well....one thing you should be certain of, is you'll never see the "change" all desire with the vermin in the TWU.
I would think after this latest sham by the TWU, the cards should pouring in nonstop. I bet we turned in 10 or so just the other night on my dock. AA mechs should have NO problem achieving an 80% card signage. With that, Id love to see AA & TWU try and derail THAT rep election vote.

It's not hard to talk to an AMFA rep on the ph from Southwest or Alaska. Google AMFA Alaska or SWA Airlines click one of the resulting hits-get a ph and fricken dial em up & ask away! They'll talk to you(if they have the time).
 
Bobby Gless who the hell are you talking to about a holiday weekend. You and all of the other unelected pieces of crap at the int that don't live under this contract, gave that holiday and others away for us. As for the equitable contracts where was the equality and me to clause in 2003. You are nothing more than sellout just like all the other unelected in the int. Why did not get to sit in on the other work groups neg so why do they get to sit in on m&r and stores? I can't wait until the people that you don't represent kick your sorry butt to the curb at aa.
Yes. This is the biggest problem with TWU. These morons "bargan" our benefits and pay away and then have the balls to point out a holiday weekend that they still get to enjoy, but gave our right to enjoy it away. These clowns have to go!
 
Why would you sign a AMFA card just for change! I am of the belief that we most definitely need a change. I also saw what happened when the card drive came down to the end. These sign just for change guys lost their back bone and resumed drinking the TWU cool-aid. If you really want change, use that empty space between your ears and get informed for the change you want. Lets hear what your idea for change is and who you think would bring the best results for our group. I say lets hear what AMFA has to say and what AMP has to say and lets make a choice on who has the best plan for M&R going forward

I eagerly await your ideas.

My belief is that we need some leadership from mechanics for mechanics. One seniority list nation wide. The ability to vote for and remove union officers. No political affiliation. Pride from the leadership all the way to the mechanic with least seniority. No inbred division in our contracts. No more me too clause at the expense of the membership. Even pride in the company we work for again. AMFA is you.

What do you think?
 
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It appears that due to some of my comments I have been scorned. However, Buck seems to have some fresh ideas I agree with. Not all but some.
 
It appears that due to some of my comments I have been scorned. However, Buck seems to have some fresh ideas I agree with. Not all but some.
So you could elaborate and let me(us) think about them . You could be correct
 
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I have several comments on the AMFA drive in Tulsa... We have a full plate as it stands and that the timing is poor. What happened to AMP? One day an Amp shirt next day AMFA? What tomorrow? IAM, Teamsters ?? Thats a few, I cant get answers just " another TWU kool-aid drinker under a new name"

Its just bad timing !! The economic situation outside of AA is so gloomy... If thing were booming outside of AA you might have a good point. Where were all the card drives 3 or 4 years ago?

AMFA isnt a business and doesnt want your dues ? Dont tell me... AMFA is doing for the profession... A labor of love not cash
 
I have several comments on the AMFA drive in Tulsa... We have a full plate as it stands and that the timing is poor. What happened to AMP? One day an Amp shirt next day AMFA? What tomorrow? IAM, Teamsters ?? Thats a few, I cant get answers just " another TWU kool-aid drinker under a new name"

Its just bad timing !! The economic situation outside of AA is so gloomy... If thing were booming outside of AA you might have a good point. Where were all the card drives 3 or 4 years ago?

AMFA isnt a business and doesnt want your dues ? Dont tell me... AMFA is doing for the profession... A labor of love not cash

Ok, tell ya what you do....
You appear to have serious reservations about signing an AMFA card. You stay on the sidelines and watch posts and quietly get questions answered(it's possible), because you appear to have your mind made up at this juncture.
If, down the road you still wish to ask/make a productive question/suggestion then by all means, do so. But w every passing post, you become more suspect to me. Like I said, you can call em up or go to amfanational.org & learn a lot.
Just sayin'.....
 
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I have not seen any results from any card drive in Tulsa. A lot of hard work but no results. I was just shocked that after a failed AMP drive now AMFA. WHY ? Im confused !!
 

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