ALPA/USAPA/West thread 3/30-4/5

[Leonidas]

Sigh..words just fail me entirely here. :blink: See..here's how it actually works in this country = the case now proceeds untill a settlement or verdict/judgement is achieved. Only at such a conclusive juncture will the MDA pilots "get a penny". Do you understand even the conceptual notion of ongoing litigation?...perhaps a work in progress?...unfinished business?....propitious omens for victory on the horizon?...the opera's not over untill the fat lady sings?...or, in this fairly soon-to-be-heard-from Alpa, by all reasoned thought = "The check's in the mail !!"

Sigh..nevermind good sir. Just continue to skip merrily over any/all unpleasant aspects of adverse reality, bring out the pom poms, and heartilly sound the trumpets of "victory" for Alpo...and naturally: "You won't even get 200 cards"/whatever/etc.

I marvel at the fact that we apparently even live on the same planet.

Oh smart one, tell me again why they have to file a new lawsuit? was it because they won? or was it because they lost all their claims due to statue of limitations?

 

[EastUS]

The MDA pilots got nothing. Their lawsuit is basically dead which is the reason for their proposed new filing.

"Oh smart one, tell me again why they have to file a new lawsuit? was it because they won? or was it because they lost all their claims due to statue of limitations?"


Ummm..you guys ARE actually in leadership positons out there..right? I mean...ummm...This isn't just some sort of bizarre "Setup" to lull us all into a false sense of complete security.... is it?

 

[wopr21]

16 days to go....

 

[prechilill]

Ummm..you guys ARE actually in leadership positons out there..right?

Wrong again, Einstein.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

By the way, when lawsuits are settled, you can appeal the decision. They don't let you "refile" another case over the same issue. Since the MDA suit was filed again, it must not have been adjudicated.

 

[Leonidas]

"Oh smart one, tell me again why they have to file a new lawsuit? was it because they won? or was it because they lost all their claims due to statue of limitations?"


Ummm..you guys ARE actually in leadership positons out there..right? I mean...ummm...This isn't just some sort of bizarre "Setup" to lull us all into a false sense of complete security.... is it?

Oh no, there's them facts again, I better obfuscate the issue so I don't have to address the facts.

 

[Leonidas]

By the way, when lawsuits are settled, you can appeal the decision. They don't let you "refile" another case over the same issue. Since the MDA suit was filed again, it must not have been adjudicated.

We have a winner, the lawsuit was thrown out, yet the east spin machine claims victory, you decide.

 

[EastUS]

Oh no, there's them facts again, I better obfuscate the issue so I don't have to address the facts.

I see. An amended complaint = devastating plaintiff defeat/victory for Alpa...OK then. Sigh..I think we're done here. No need to feel pressured into any further efforts at obfuscation on any level.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

From the latest ALPA National meeting:

The two movers then spoke with Moak (DAL MEC Chairman) going second. He stated that he was not happy with ALPA’s leadership over the past three years, and that he was sure the problems with US Airways ALPA leadership were not limited to Council 41. He then stated that he wasn’t happy with his own performance because three years ago he was in attendance at an ALPA Executive Board meeting where he planned for the demise of US Airways as a means to improve the economics in the Northeast Corridor, thereby helping the Delta pilots.

WOW!

ALPA stands for:

*Scuttles the pension
* Plans the demise of US Airways
* Okays stealing seniority

This union is a joke. If you vote for ALPA you're an a$$.

Later,
Eye

 

[oldiebutgoody]

We have a winner, the lawsuit was thrown out, yet the east spin machine claims victory, you decide.

"throw out" is not a legal term. You mean it was "dismissed", which can be for any number of reasons. What this really means is that NEITHER SIDE WON. If the judge had found in favor of ALPA,it woud be over. Likewise, if he had determined that the MDA guys had prevailed. The fact that this was dismssed in a manner that allowed another suit is what really says volumes about the case. His comments also seemed to place blame at ALPA's feet. I really wouldn't try to read much into a dimissal. It could be for a technicality, or because the judge thinks there is a better way for this suit to be filed.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

From the latest ALPA National meeting:

The two movers then spoke with Moak (DAL MEC Chairman) going second. He stated that he was not happy with ALPA’s leadership over the past three years, and that he was sure the problems with US Airways ALPA leadership were not limited to Council 41. He then stated that he wasn’t happy with his own performance because three years ago he was in attendance at an ALPA Executive Board meeting where he planned for the demise of US Airways as a means to improve the economics in the Northeast Corridor, thereby helping the Delta pilots.

WOW!

ALPA stands for:

*Scuttles the pension
* Plans the demise of US Airways
* Okays stealing seniority

This union is a joke. If you vote for ALPA you're an a$$.

Later,
Eye

OUCH!. Somebody needs to document this for a DFR lawsuit againt ALPA, which could go ahead even if USAPA wins. Man, that's scathing! ALPA was planning the demise of LCC? I always wondered why they had so many closed door sessions.

 

[LSS]

I understand the ruling, I don't think you do, The MDA pilots lost, the judge gave them an "opinion" that they can sue under different statues, based solely on the plaintiffs description of events. So they lost but get to sue under different rules, they haven't won one thing yet.

"She ruled that the portions of the suit affected by the statute of limitations claim must be dismissed. But this judge is smarter than all of ALPA put together. The judge knew and stated in her ruling that ALPA was guilty of breach in their duty to fairly represent the MDA pilots.

She then opened the door and gave us a huge bonus. She granted the amendment to add damages based on the Nicolau Award AND she put ALPA on notice that they breached their DFR.


It was never stated that the complaint was dismissed, ONLY PORTIONS OF THE COMPLAINT WERE DISMISSED. IF THE COMPLAINT HAD BEEN DISMISSED ENTIRELY... NO AMENDMENT TO THE COMPLAINT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE. A NEW SUIT WOULD HAVE TO BE FILED

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Well, that clears it up! I knew there was more to it than I was reading here! Don't worry, though. ALPA will just assess it's members for the amount of the lawsuit. After all, it's all about the money!

This AND a DFR lawsuit over what the Delta MEC guy said, and I think LCC pilots could OWN ALPA! Maybe we could auction off Prater's boats and airplanes!

 

[Leonidas]

I see. An amended complaint = devastating plaintiff defeat/victory for Alpa...OK then. Sigh..I think we're done here. No need to feel pressured into any further efforts at obfuscation on any level.

There you go again, where did I say that?

 

[Leonidas]

"throw out" is not a legal term. You mean it was "dismissed", which can be for any number of reasons. What this really means is that NEITHER SIDE WON. If the judge had found in favor of ALPA,it woud be over. Likewise, if he had determined that the MDA guys had prevailed. The fact that this was dismssed in a manner that allowed another suit is what really says volumes about the case. His comments also seemed to place blame at ALPA's feet. I really wouldn't try to read much into a dimissal. It could be for a technicality, or because the judge thinks there is a better way for this suit to be filed.

You are correct "dismissed" is the term.