ALPA/USAPA/West thread 3/30-4/5

[ableoneable]

We get it Nosto, ALPA is responsible for the ATA shutdown, the ALOHA shutdown, the Champion shutdown and the gulf war.

ALPA = Evil, got it, check, thank you.

No hyperbole just the straight facts as usual.

 

[nostradamus]

We get it Nosto, ALPA is responsible for the ATA shutdown, the ALOHA shutdown, the Champion shutdown and the gulf war.

ALPA = Evil, got it, check, thank you.

No hyperbole just the straight facts as usual.

Just look who picks up the ATA slack within the next few weeks. With alpa the question is which came first the hyperbole or the facts?

 

[ableoneable]

Just look who picks up the ATA slack within the next few weeks. With alpa the question is which came first the hyperbole or the facts?

So, if I understand you, you're going to claim that if any ALPA carrier increases their Hawaii frequencies that will be proof of an ALPA conspiracy?

Why has ALPA decided to shut down ATA? Why were these 600 pilot positions pivotal to ALPA's plans for world domination?

Are you saying we could be the next victim of ALPZILLA?

 

[nostradamus]

"US Airways, its parent company US Airways Group, Inc., and three affiliated companies, emerged from bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11 of the United States bankruptcy code on September 27, 2005.* That same day, pursuant to the US Airways’ plan of reorganization, US Airways Group, Inc. consummated a transaction in which it acquired America West Holdings Corporation and its subsidiary America West Airlines."


ATA alpa leader quote;

“We find it unusually coincidental that ALPA, which was in contract negotiations with ATA and had the best opportunity to change our collective bargaining agreement to reflect the new realities of the industry, was suddenly forced to shut down while World and North American will continue operating under the Global Aero Logistics banner,â€￾ Staples said. “Since when does the acquiring airline go out of business while the acquired airlines keep flying?â€￾


alpa merger policy at work sir.

 

[ableoneable]

"US Airways, its parent company US Airways Group, Inc., and three affiliated companies, emerged from bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11 of the United States bankruptcy code on September 27, 2005.* That same day, pursuant to the US Airways’ plan of reorganization, US Airways Group, Inc. consummated a transaction in which it acquired America West Holdings Corporation and its subsidiary America West Airlines."


ATA alpa leader quote;

“We find it unusually coincidental that ALPA, which was in contract negotiations with ATA and had the best opportunity to change our collective bargaining agreement to reflect the new realities of the industry, was suddenly forced to shut down while World and North American will continue operating under the Global Aero Logistics banner,â€￾ Staples said. “Since when does the acquiring airline go out of business while the acquired airlines keep flying?â€￾


alpa merger policy at work sir.

Now I have no idea what your point is.

 

[nostradamus]

Now I have no idea what your point is.

paradigm

A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline.

 

[Phoenix]

Just look who picks up the ATA slack within the next few weeks. With alpa the question is which came first the hyperbole or the facts?

Strangely the premise of what constitutes a valid representative union is no longer a given. And ironically those who cry the loudest that they ARE the union seem to be unfamiliar with the term "oxymoron".

 

[nycbusdriver]

First of all I was questioning you as to why a temporary ALPA appointee is a shill while a more or less permanent USAPA appointee is not.

Second, what was the DALPA reps motivation? I understand that as an ALPA rep he is inherently evil, but specifically why did he need to perpetuate this evil deed.

Third, to answer your question, I am not interested in anyone representing me who has an 18 month free ride of unaccountability. If he/she can't be democratically selected or replaced then he/she is a trustee not a representative.

The USAPA officers and reps will be democratically elected. The vote gets announced on April 17, and majority rules. Before that date, the entire slate of officers and reps for USAPA will have been disclosed. So, a vote for USAPA is a vote for those reps. What's undemocratic about that?

Besides that, who elected Dave Behncke as the first leader of ALPA before all those pilots had elections? A new union has to start somewhere, and the NMB provides the process.

 

[nostradamus]

"US Airways Group, Inc. consummated a transaction in which it acquired America West Holdings Corporation and its subsidiary America West Airlines."

"ATA was suddenly forced to shut down while World and North American will continue operating under the Global Aero Logistics banner,â€￾ Staples said. “Since when does the acquiring airline go out of business while the acquired airlines keep flying?â€￾

alpa paradigm

 

[ableoneable]

The USAPA officers and reps will be democratically elected. The vote gets announced on April 17, and majority rules. Before that date, the entire slate of officers and reps for USAPA will have been disclosed. So, a vote for USAPA is a vote for those reps. What's undemocratic about that?

In point of fact we don't know who all the reps are. Three bases are still listed as either TBD or have been chosen but are being kept "secret".

If this is not true please list the names of the PHX, LAS and CLT reps.

Electing a dictator would be considered a democracy in your book.

So If I choose to vote for USAPA I am voting for unknown reps who will hold their positions, without threat of recall, for eighteen months while they negotiate a new contract and a new seniority list. Sounds democratic to me.

 

[ableoneable]

"US Airways Group, Inc. consummated a transaction in which it acquired America West Holdings Corporation and its subsidiary America West Airlines."

"ATA was suddenly forced to shut down while World and North American will continue operating under the Global Aero Logistics banner,â€￾ Staples said. “Since when does the acquiring airline go out of business while the acquired airlines keep flying?â€￾

alpa paradigm

Nosto, K.I.S.S.

Don't use words out of context.

 

[nostradamus]

Nosto, K.I.S.S.

Don't use words out of context.

paradigm

"A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline."

You have no intellectual discipline sir. You do have the assumptions though. When alpa considers you their best to police and politicize a web board, at best sir, you are the night shift.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

In point of fact we don't know who all the reps are. Three bases are still listed as either TBD or have been chosen but are being kept "secret".

If this is not true please list the names of the PHX, LAS and CLT reps.

The CLT reps were named a while ago. Obviously you chose to ignore the announcement so you can post your mis-informed "Stuff" as fact. I hope you will pay attention soon. Anyway, get over it. Yea I know PHX and LAS are not announced yet. Could it be they are hoping for actual PHX and LAS pilots to step forward? Maybe and maybe not. Either way, I suspect I know how you voted so your opinion and goading means absolutely nothing.

Here are the CLT interim reps:

CLT Interim Chairman
David Koseruba

CLT Interim Vice-Chairman
Bill McKee

CLT Interim Vice-Chairman
Steve Greif

 

[ableoneable]

paradigm

You have no intellectual discipline sir. You do have the assumptions though. When alpa considers you their best to police and politicize a web board, at best sir, you are the night shift.

Wow, no intellectual discipline. Your insults don't even make sense.

So now I am an official ALPA spokesperson. You guys see a conspiracy behind every corner.

 

[ableoneable]

Anyway, get over it. Yea I know PHX and LAS are not announced yet. Could it be they are hoping for actual PHX and LAS pilots to step forward? Maybe and maybe not. Either way, I suspect I know how you voted so your opinion and goading means absolutely nothing.

So when I post questions and arguments it's goading?

The facts are these:

The reps for PHX and LAS have either not been picked or they are secret. This situation will not change until after the vote.

These reps will be appointed to eighteen month terms. They will not be subject to recall or to the will of the membership.

Usapa will be negotiating a new contract and a new seniority list during this eighteen month period.

Usapa has stated that they want to put east furloughees ahead of west captains.


Unless you can challenge any of the above you are doing nothing but providing spin.