ALPA/USAPA topic of the week

[BoeingBoy]

Like I said you may be right.

Since I didn't give any particular date or confirm/deny the one given, I can't be right. But then again I can't be wrong.

Sounds like the NMB uses IOE as a measure of "on the payroll" or at least "member of the craft/class".

Jim

 

[AAA73Pilot]

How what's going to play in court?? That southern mountain air is going to your head!! You and your usapa clowns mission is to destroy by not honoring your agreements ours is to make you clowns walmart greeters! Simple enough?? 50% refers to half of the company. Now just what are you going to say in court? they all walked off the job quitting and it cost you what you were suppose to lose before we bought your sorry broke twice bankrupt in 24 months azzs? Good luck with that. Unemployment is in your future son...

Once again you missed the whole point. Why am I not surprised?

USAPA is not going to court, I believe you and the company will. You have a contract. The RLA comes into play here and you brethren are messing with fire like the APA did. Only thing you need to clarify is what time frame you have in mind? Pre Apr. 17th or post?

But if you quit? That is really funny. That just makes my day and solves a myriad of potential problems. So I guess all those slam dunk lawsuits are not really a slam dunk after all. Quitting? You call us clowns? This is really too good. Keep it up.

Unemployment? Promise? That too would solve a lot of problems. But I can promise you one thing, it won't be a greeter career, unless I so choose.

 

[EastUS]

How what's going to play in court?? That southern mountain air is going to your head!! You and your usapa clowns mission is to destroy by not honoring your agreements ours is to make you clowns walmart greeters! Simple enough?? 50% refers to half of the company. Now just what are you going to say in court? they all walked off the job quitting and it cost you what you were suppose to lose before we bought your sorry broke twice bankrupt in 24 months azzs? Good luck with that. Unemployment is in your future son...

Some of your handlers need to pull your choke-chain son. Making statements on a public venue threatening illegal work actions/stoppages/etc isn't smart on ANY level...period. Whatever "support" you imagine yourself giving to your fellows by doing so...well..guess again. I couldn't care less what you "think"..but you're potentially setting your group up for additional problems, should they actually do as you're suggesting. This is the kind of thing that makes company lawyers VERY happy indeed. You would be any company lawyer's DREAM to place on the stand...if such was even needed. A combination of volatile emotions coupled with limited verbal skills?, ..they couldn't possibly want more for an intended "victim"/patsy to suit their purposes. Don't do your comrades any more "favors" is my earnest suggestion on this issue. Yell at us all you want though.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Sounds like the NMB uses IOE as a measure of "on the payroll" or at least "member of the craft/class".

That is how I read it. There is more. But we can go all night long and it will soon all be moot. Like I said, the determination should come out shortly. For all I know it will be in the instruction packet coming soon.

 

[BoeingBoy]

For all I know it will be in the instruction packet coming soon.

I'm pretty sure it won't be - at least if you talking about the packet that each eligible voter will get. If you're talking about something USAPA will get, I have no idea.

I suspect that if the NMB determines someone is ineligible, they just won't get a voting instructions packet.....

Jim

 

[AAA73Pilot]

That's very true.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Enjoy your vacation. Maybe USAPA can get me the 19 days of vacation back ALPA gave away in the BK's.

It would be nice.

 

[AWA320]

"resignation for LCC" I assume that means "from" LCC? What are you putting up of equal value?

Yeah I type to fast but you got the point.

 

[AWA320]

Some of your handlers need to pull your choke-chain son. Making statements on a public venue threatening illegal work actions/stoppages/etc isn't smart on ANY level...period. Whatever "support" you imagine yourself giving to your fellows by doing so...well..guess again. I couldn't care less what you "think"..but you're potentially setting your group up for additional problems, should they actually do as you're suggesting. This is the kind of thing that makes company lawyers VERY happy indeed. You would be any company lawyer's DREAM to place on the stand...if such was even needed. A combination of volatile emotions coupled with limited verbal skills?, ..they couldn't possibly want more for an intended "victim"/patsy to suit their purposes. Don't do your comrades any more "favors" is my earnest suggestion on this issue. Yell at us all you want though.

You still don't get it do you???? Not to worry though you will.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

That goes double for the East side. If there is another merger and carrier X asks for a seniority list to compare to their own, which list do you think they are going to be handed? A. The arbitrated list. Not two separate lists.

It will be whatever list USAPA sends.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

.....50% refers to half of the company.

or is it?

AWA320 wrote:
I FEEL A WEST PILOT SHUT DOWN LOOMING IN THE AIR! HMMM HOW LONG CAN THE USAPA BABIES LAST IN THE INDUSTRY WITH 50% OF THE PILOT WORK FORCE, WELL NOT WORKING??

I must be confused, Half the company or 50% of the pilots? Like I said before, I am impressed. So much support, I had no idea

AWA320 Wrote:
You still don't get it do you???? Not to worry though you will.

We get it, always have. Like I said before, if it will make you happy, knock yourself out.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

or is it?


I must be confused, Half the company or 50% of the pilots? Like I said before, I am impressed. So much support, I had no idea



We get it, always have. Like I said before, if it will make you happy, knock yourself out.

Not to worry. An illegal job action woud solve most of LCC's problems very quickly. The company would be free to hire replacements, the Nic award would be a moot point and since it woudn't be an"official" job action, no scabs. Could be the best thing to happen here since the merger!

 

[Freighterguynow]

AWA MEC Communications Committee Update – March 12, 2008

Re: America West Pilots Are Furious


Captain Tania Bziukiewicz
Communications Committee Chairman

This is more worthy of 8th grade study hall than the leader of a Communications Committee.

 

[EastUS]

This is more worthy of 8th grade study hall than the leader of a Communications Committee.

As for that mighty little missive?: I think of 8th grade as being overly generous. Let's briefly examine the main talking points contained, without including the colorfull hysteria.

The company name apparently should be AWA...no reason..just emotion.

The Call Sign: This is a "big deal" in some way? Again; no reason..just emotion.

Pass travel. How unthinkably horrible that it's now done by seniority. I can't imagine any worse injustice.


The Stagnation: Rapid upward mobility is evidently perceived as an "inalienable right" out there. Nothing new in that thinking.


The Contract: There won't ever be one with Nic...and this is apparently the company's fault for not forcing it on the east....somehow or other. I wonder what ever happened to: "You can live on LOA93 FOREVER!"


The “Supplement the FOM” mentality: If you’ve flown at all in the past few months, you’re well aware of the inadequacy of the new method for communicating with our dispatchers and maintenance personnel. Management’s answer to the problem that THEY created: use your cell phone."

Using a phone to call dispatch is a "Big Deal"..umm..how?


The Decertification Drive: Where to start? This is the hottest topic, .." OK. That's clearly a pity-party only for the "I want my Nic!" crowd.


The Crew Room Incident: As you may know, our MEC chairman was kicked out of the Charlotte crew room by representatives of management..." Sounds like a "personal problem" to me, in that company policy has been stated to be that neither side will have such access.

"So, the issue now is: When will America West pilots finally act as a unified group, stand up to management, and show their utter disgust at the state of our operation? "

It's clear that MS Tania's never even remotely considered the notion of ever getting the east and west together to "act as a unified group". "Unionism" at it's finest through ALPA...again.

 

[EastUS]

You still don't get it do you???? Not to worry though you will.

I understand. I'll pin that up right next to: "You won't even get 200 cards!!!".