AIRBUS CHECKS WHO IS LYING !!!

[N628AU]

Lav,

PineyBob should not be the one seeking insurance for his FF miles. In the remote (I stress REMOTE) event the work got farmed out, the company lost in a quick way through the courts, and there was no injunction granted by a court, the only ones that need insurance are those who depend on that paycheck to make the mortgage and car payments. How long can you go without a check? How long would it take you to find employment at the salary range you are at, even after the concessions? Ask the workers at Pillowtex how they are this week.

Remember, everything is a compromise. You still have not addressed my question even though I have asked it many times. What is different here from any time the company got "covered work" farmed out in the past? What keeps them from saying they do not have the tooling necessary to complete this work? Believe me when I tell you they do not. Unless something has changed dramatically from November, and AOG lets me believe it has not, there is not enough tooling to do the line work and RON check work now, much less a major overhaul.

Now I know the next response is likely to be along the lines of, we did the work on DC9, BAC111, F28, F100, MD80, B737, 757, and 767, all of which was not original equipment in 1949. The company's next likely response is, that they chose to do more than was required per the contract at the time by aquiring the specific tooling and facilities to do this work, and that now the company is not a position to do so. Then they cite GE engine, avionics, and landing gear work as examples of of legal precedent to support it's position. What is the rebuttal argument the union makes?

I am not trying to support the company on this. Farming out this work is morally and ethically wrong to me. I can however, see what legal basis the company is likely to cite in support of going to a third party, which I do not truly think is likely. Whatever happens, I will say again, it needs to happen soon in order to either award a contract or aqquire the necessary tooling and recall the proper number of personnel to do the work.

 

[LavMan]

Dave and Chiames were in INT doing a station visit to RES, Consumer Affairs, Landing gear shop and Plating shop.

We have the facilities and tooling to do the work.

US Air nor Piedmont did the overhaul on the engines, the only engines US overhauled were the jt8s. But the arbitration case where we lost the engine grievance was also a win in regards to the facilities.

 

[N628AU]

We have the facilities, I agree, on the issue of tooling I disagree, there will have to be some investment in additional tooling. The issue of the nose cowl slings and dollies was brought up as an example earlier by AOG.

What is your reponse to the arguements I think the company would make in a legal proceeding?

 

[LavMan]

Bob, our District 141M has won numerous arbitrations against this company.
We just won a big attendance award from this company, we have beaten them more then they have won.

So instead of posting things you have no idea about, take the time educate yourself on the labor unrelations of this company.

 

[Biffeman]

Biffeman has to give his opinion on this matter, I have been very quiet, just watching and digesting everything.

I could not agree more with you LavMan, the time has come to show the company that they cannot beat us down anymore.

Time to Rally the Troops and tell the seagull he can't crap on us anymore!

 

[bikingjw]

OK,OK!!!
I've been following this thread for a while and enough is enough!! When will the employees of this airline standup, look this management team in the eyes and say No more, period!!!
I am a laid off mechanic in Tampa and have been since last November when the hanger was closed with no warning or notice by our wonderful people friendly mangement . Guess what, there is life outside of Usairways. So I do know what its like to be out of work and on the streets. When the IAM caved in with its first round of cuts, look what it did to the industry, Our competitors followed suit, and who won?? Not the employees. You are taking home less, paying more for insurance and the company is coming back for still more, and will be until you figure it out.
If I sound mad I am. I am seeing an industry I've been working in for 28 years crumble before my eyes and I feel helpless to do thing about it. Lavman, I have never met you but as far as I am concerned you my man are about the only one who sees the light! The more you give the more they will take. Now its the airbusses, then what, res? that can be done cheaper somewere else I'm sure. There will always be another excuse for cuts. They will take as much as they can (Harvard 101).
When is it just not worth it, how much more can you sink in you job, your standard of living, your self esteem. NO more, is that clear enough NO MORE!!

WE can hang together or we WILL hang separately

 

[ITRADE]

Amazing....Biffeman and Lavman posting within 8 minutes of each other.

Why don't you make us all laugh and have a conversation with yourself.

 

[PITbull]

ITRADE,

Excuse me, what is your point? What's so funny? I missed your humor?

 

[zonecontroller]

I hope when the grievance is won its in the millions!
That’s the only way the crystal clunk-heads will understand. Maybe after they pay a third party outfit to do the checks, then pay us to do them, they will get the hint.

As someone previously stated on this board, I feel the clunk-heads will have cashed out of there stock here by the time it is settled and walk away wealthy irregardless.

The writing is on the wall and its been there!
I’m now just learning to read.
:down:

 

[Biffeman]

I dont see any humor in it

 

[ITRADE]

ITRADE,

Excuse me, what is your point? What's so funny? I missed your humor?

Because Lavman and Biffeman are the same person.

I saw Lavman log off the seconds after Biffeman logged on. Its obvious. Anybody can see it.

And here he/they are congratulating him/themselves for posting.

 

[ITRADE]

I dont see any humor in it

But you certainly don't deny it.

 

[Biffeman]

What are you implying? So we are clear and so we both can have a laugh.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Gang,
Contrary to Lavmans constant drumbeat...which I happen to agree with completely, U has not treated the subject of Airbus Logistics properly.

Tooling is an issue...as are 95% of the rotable parts we stock. The Airbus is a very high tech gadget..and it develops its share of quirks as it matures. Airbus like any other Aircraft made also has its share of items that seem to be in constant need of upgrade too. We get crucified over these issues in light of it.

The narrow body fleet has had one issue after another...and it's seemingly impossible for the Vendors to keep up with the demand. The Outflow Valve was one big issue that haunted ..or rather plagued us for months. The current hot issue is the ACARS Management Units being in need of upgrade. Keep in mind we went through the entire fleet on this same subject during the winter. Thankfully this is an item that can be done "In-House" by our Avionics Shop in CLT...yet this is a monday-friday 7 to 3 operation.

Major tooling has long plagued us in regard to the Airbus Fleet....and I'm convinced that issue is a purposefull one...that the company is obviously going to attempt to use in thier favor...or so they hope.

I see the company attempting to cut corners in many respects..and I see things not being looked at in real world terms at all.

Last night is a great example of what I'm speaking of in regards to corner cutting.

PHL called saying that they were un-able to service the RON Acft Lavs properly...I asked why is that? They stated that they were out of the chemicals that make the blue Lav water blue. Keep in mind..this is the supposed "Crown Jewel" of our airline , yet they un-like all the other "Focus Cities or Hubs" had nothing to work with.

I'll admit that PHL is a basket case in regards to taking ownership of thier own issues...and everything is an emergency due to thier own lack of care or foresight on thier own part 99% of the time , but on this issue the company simply dropped the ball but good. I found where purchase orders had been created for this need...yet they were cancelled. The lead time on these cancelled PO's would not have helped PHL this time...but it goes back to projecting actual day to day needs , which niether party is doing.


Again, such issues rarely take place elsewhere...but it's a good example of what's wrong with this company...and even the employee's that failed to raise an alarm to a easily resolved problem , before it reached critical mass.

Yes we need to cut costs...but working smart will lend toward this better than just outsourcing things to lessor operations to achieve modest results...our problems can be cured from within...if we will just come to terms with things as a team.

 

[N628AU]

Lav,

With all due respect, you are skirting my question. Please let me know what the IAM union repsonse is to the company saying they have always done more than contract required by purchasing tooling and getting things ready to do overhauls on the new fleet types.

Your previous arguement regarding the engine work as a precedent was that the company only did JT8 work in house, and never did the CFM work. True, but no attorney worth his salt would use that because it falls right in line with the company's view that the Airbus work was never done in house, therefore it is not covered.

Again, I want this work to stay in house, but have yet to see a compelling legal arguement the IAM can use in a courtroom. Citing the numerous grievances won may wind up being a little the phrase winning the battle but losing the war.