AA employees get 4% raises

dfw gen said:
my response will be positive when i get a raise.... hows the fairy tale where you work going?
 
Pretty good. On my way towards that rainbow..didn't see it yesterday because of the cloud cover, but now I have a path and I'm on my way.
 
For AAs AMTs to be industry leading, the raise would have to be 20 -25 percent - easy.  I have a feeling we will remain the lowest paid.  This brought to you, courtesy of the TWU - and the hole dug for us.  AA AMT pay and benefits are so far below the rest, a recovery to industry average - let alone industry leading would be a miracle.
 
Vortilon said:
For AAs AMTs to be industry leading, the raise would have to be 20 -25 percent - easy.  I have a feeling we will remain the lowest paid.  This brought to you, courtesy of the TWU - and the hole dug for us.  AA AMT pay and benefits are so far below the rest, a recovery to industry average - let alone industry leading would be a miracle.
 
What are the wages at the other airlines for AMT's?
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
I am sure Parker just made this decision on a whim without any legal counsel advisement.

By all means, I think you should force AA to take back those raises until you get your industry leading contract.
No, force him to give it to everyone. Like I said if he gave it to non-union then there is nothing that can really be said, but to give it to one group that has a contract, and to arbitrarily punish those that don't is another story. Its not as if there was any notice of what needed to be done before the fact. 
 
bigjets said:
If you read the article, you would have noticed that the other unions will get same raises when a contract is reached.

You freak'n scare me. How can you negotiate a contract when you don't think getting a 4% raise on top of contractual obligations is a bad thing. This after DP just gave the FAs an additional $83m in pay.

Merry Christmas, try not to kick Santa in the plumbs when he gives you a gift.
Its a bad thing when its a Union busting scam and only some get it. Only some people got it on top of their contractual obligations, not everyone. You are aware that we all have contracts that were modified once already to facilitate this merger aren't you? Will the 4% be paid Retroactively? I didn't see that anywhere. 
 
Like I said Parker had a chance to prove he was trustworthy, but he blew it with all the Unions except the APFA. 
 
Vortilon said:
For AAs AMTs to be industry leading, the raise would have to be 20 -25 percent - easy.  I have a feeling we will remain the lowest paid.  This brought to you, courtesy of the TWU - and the hole dug for us.  AA AMT pay and benefits are so far below the rest, a recovery to industry average - let alone industry leading would be a miracle.
The airline industry includes UPS and WN. UPS includes us in their comparisons, so does WN and until recently we included them. Now the Company an false Unionists want to confine the industry as only carriers that have filed for BK.  Problem is that WN and UPS is a more realistic reflection of true market rates because those rates were determined through a much more level fielded negotiations and not the very biased bankruptcy process. 
 
While I for one appreciate the 4%. I do need to question why only one unionized work group received the raise along with the non union employees. If as stated by Doug, it was for us employees ALL, going above and beyond, exceeding expectations, then why not do it across the board. I represent exactly what Doug is wanting to pay, one of those employees. Yet I have zero control over the IAM, TWU, or this thing called the "Association". Indeed, if Doug wants me to trust him and earn his respect, Union or not, JCBA or not, either give me my 4% now like the flight attendants and other "non" union employees, or make it retro back to Jan 5th when the raise actually goes into affect. Pretty simple solution, Doug!
 
NYer said:
 
What are the wages at the other airlines for AMT's?
Going a few bucks above Delta may or may not make the FAs industry leading but it would not make us even close to industry leading. 
 
Bob Owens said:
Shouldnt the correct title have been "(SOME) AA Employees get 4% raises? "  Or even better "Less than half". 
 
Since the APFA is the only Unionized group getting it  isn't he pretty much lumping them in with all the non-union workers? 
 
When the APA decides to send the airline offer for a vote, they will get the 4% too. =0
 
Bob Owens said:
The airline industry includes UPS and WN. UPS includes us in their comparisons, so does WN and until recently we included them. Now the Company an false Unionists want to confine the industry as only carriers that have filed for BK.  Problem is that WN and UPS is a more realistic reflection of true market rates because those rates were determined through a much more level fielded negotiations and not the very biased bankruptcy process. 
 
How many mechanics do UPS and WN have?
 
Should only wages be used as comparisons, or is contract language also on the table?
 
AANOTOK said:
While I for one appreciate the 4%. I do need to question why only one unionized work group received the raise along with the non union employees. If as stated by Doug, it was for us employees ALL, going above and beyond, exceeding expectations, then why not do it across the board. I represent exactly what Doug is wanting to pay, one of those employees. Yet I have zero control over the IAM, TWU, or this thing called the "Association". Indeed, if Doug wants me to trust him and earn his respect, Union or not, JCBA or not, either give me my 4% now like the flight attendants and other "non" union employees, or make it retro back to Jan 5th when the raise actually goes into affect. Pretty simple solution, Doug!
 
It's not easy to turn an announcement of a raise into a negative, but you nailed it.
 
NYer said:
 
When the APA decides to send the airline offer for a vote, they will get the 4% too. =0
...and from Jan. 5th until the TWU, IAM or the Association stop their nonsense, we will be held hostage and not realize the extra 4% earnings other work groups both union and non union are enjoying. And keep in mind, this is not a negotiated item.
 
Its all on the table. Show me where our contracts stipulates the number of mechanics AA will have. The fact is that their mechanic to aircraft ratio has not changed as much as ours and they have never laid anyone off or taken away pay. 
 
NYer said:
 
When the APA decides to send the airline offer for a vote, they will get the 4% too. =0
Figures you would be justifying this Union Busting move. Whatever AA wants you are in favor of. 
 

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