AA employees get 4% raises

[bigjets]

If you cant see this as a Union Busting tactic then you should be grounded, you are too stupid to be flying and a hazard to the flying public. 
 
Parker said this raise is in recognition of the unexpected additional success the company has seen but he is only giving the increase to one of the groups that are Unionized. Why should we be happy when our concessions are funding this success and he decides to pick and choose which workers get some back? 
 
Now I'm starting to see what the US east pilots were dealing with.

just because the twu leadership, that includes you, we're not smart enough to get the same deal as the FAs does not make that Union busting.

The only Union busting I see is the gross lack of representation from the twu who has done nothing on behalf of the line mechs. But has really taken care of Tulsa, now that's Union busting.

You discredit yourself with posts like this last one.

 

[UPNAWAY]

DP has clearly shown, he wants deals done with all the work groups, that will result in industry leading pay and he then wants to move on to work on other issues. In the end you will get what will be a very good if not great contract. How can anyone see this as anti union?
 
I would wish you all a Merry Christmas but sure the scrooges wouldn't appreciate that either.

 

[Bob Owens]

just because the twu leadership, that includes you, we're not smart enough to get the same deal as the FAs does not make that Union busting.

The only Union busting I see is the gross lack of representation from the twu who has done nothing on behalf of the line mechs. But has really taken care of Tulsa, now that's Union busting.

You discredit yourself with posts like this last one.

First off the Flight Attendants did not negotiate this deal, it was handed to them. Its Union Busting and it was a bad move by Parker because most will see it as that and it will only harden conditions at the tables. It causes more distrust with those who do not have JCBAs yet.
 
Parker had an opportunity to earn the trust he so often claims he wants, then he does this " we are doing better than expected so in recognition I'm only giving some of our employees a 4% increase". 

 

[Bob Owens]

DP has clearly shown, he wants deals done with all the work groups, that will result in industry leading pay and he then wants to move on to work on other issues. In the end you will get what will be a very good if not great contract. How can anyone see this as anti union?
 
I would wish you all a Merry Christmas but sure the scrooges wouldn't appreciate that either.

If he had given it to everyone maybe what you are saying is true, the fact that he excluded some makes it what it is, a Union Busting tactic. 
 
Parker is the Scrooge here. Didn't see Fezziwig exclude some workers from the party.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Unions could cite it violates AA own regs as far as disparate treatment. To after the fact change the rules and say those that have JCBAs will be treated like non-union and be granted wage increases outside of the collective bargaining process would be no different than if the company picked out certain individuals within a Union and decided to give them a raise and nobody else.
 
The other Unions on the property could cite that by giving the APFA a wage increase outside of collective bargaining that they are not being treated equally, since its a pay issue, perhaps claim its a major dispute and resort to self help. 
 
I think the Other Unions need to be in Court Friday Morning.

I am sure Parker just made this decision on a whim without any legal counsel advisement.

By all means, I think you should force AA to take back those raises until you get your industry leading contract.

 

[bigjets]

Scab..
 
This raise was supposedly due to AA's success, its not due to the JCBA, Parker just arbitrarily decided to exclude those groups that do not have a JCBA and the Unions have no control over how long it takes for the NMB to decide to enforce the rules, or not. 
 
Spin away, its classic Union Busting, and the APFA appears to be willing to take part in it.

If you read the article, you would have noticed that the other unions will get same raises when a contract is reached.

You freak'n scare me. How can you negotiate a contract when you don't think getting a 4% raise on top of contractual obligations is a bad thing. This after DP just gave the FAs an additional $83m in pay.

Merry Christmas, try not to kick Santa in the plumbs when he gives you a gift.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

If you read the article, you would have noticed that the other unions will get same raises when a contract is reached.
You freak'n scare me.

“In celebration of that success, today we are announcing a pay increase of 4 percentage points for represented workgroups with ratified joint contracts and for non-contract employees below the director level,” Parker said.

“For our flight attendants, this means the contract ratified just last week will now be improved (subject to APFA approval) by another 4 percentage points in pay, bringing hourly rates 7% higher than the flight attendant pay rates at the other large network airlines (Delta or United),” Parker said.

“For groups who have not yet reached ratified joint contracts, they will now see larger increases when those joint ratified contracts are achieved,” he said.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

A true leader would give every workgroup the 4% regardless if you have a joint contract or not. Everyone one of the unions agreed to this merger which has made this company very profitable. So why the favoritism? Why the conditions? Why not give 3% to every work group and the extra 1% when you sign a joint agreement?

This is the way Doug Parker Operates !!!! and your absolutely right,there isn't ONE Union that would reject the company actually giving it's members something POSITIVE for a change !!!!!!!!
 
But doing it this way, this 4% will get lumped in with our raises we would have got in our Joint agreement and swallowed up in that ominous cat and mouse ---- give and take ploy by the company as they shift the chips around the table------ giving in chip one while taking away from another !!!!  Not unexpected here tho, Doug's been this way since DAY ONE !!! in his eye's, your a liability, not an asset, the ONLY reason he's even doing it is because Delta has been very publicly calling him OUT on all of this !!!!
 
Merry Christmas Everyone

 

[NYer]

First off the Flight Attendants did not negotiate this deal, it was handed to them. Its Union Busting and it was a bad move by Parker because most will see it as that and it will only harden conditions at the tables. It causes more distrust with those who do not have JCBAs yet.
 
Parker had an opportunity to earn the trust he so often claims he wants, then he does this " we are doing better than expected so in recognition I'm only giving some of our employees a 4% increase". 

 
A 4% raise, without the need to negotiate, will cause distrust?
 
This is why your arguments get so convoluted. You keep saying we're the lowest paid in the industry, but when you know you're going to get another 4% raise then you argue against it. I guess your rhetoric is only good when you're looking up. 
 
A group that is always screaming about being the lowest paid will get a 4%, another 3% raise and a wage adjuster, but the enemy is at the door and we all need to get our gear....war is coming. How dare he give out raises, that's union-busting, un-american.....Oh Brother!
 
Face it Bob, your rhetoric isn't working in this environment you need to get new arguments a new repertoire because the old tried and true rhetoric isn't even passable anymore. It's certainly entertaining, but woefully ineffective.
 
BTW--The Envoy pilots that voted no in the past, to your celebration, received another 10-year concessionary deal after they lost some of the planes they could have received. Another example of "no," not being fruitful. (sorry to pile on)

 

[dfw gen]

 
A 4% raise, without the need to negotiate, will cause distrust?
 
This is why your arguments get so convoluted. You keep saying we're the lowest paid in the industry, but when you know you're going to get another 4% raise then you argue against it. I guess your rhetoric is only good when you're looking up. 
 
A group that is always screaming about being the lowest paid will get a 4%, another 3% raise and a wage adjuster, but the enemy is at the door and we all need to get our gear....war is coming. How dare he give out raises, that's union-busting, un-american.....Oh Brother!
 
Face it Bob, your rhetoric isn't working in this environment you need to get new arguments a new repertoire because the old tried and true rhetoric isn't even passable anymore. It's certainly entertaining, but woefully ineffective.
 
BTW--The Envoy pilots that voted no in the past, to your celebration, received another 10-year concessionary deal after they lost some of the planes they could have received. Another example of "no," not being fruitful. (sorry to pile on)

hey ass wipe its a raise we havent gotten, oh wait either have you! if your fleet service. but thats ok in seven years of negotiations we will see the 4%. wait till our time comes lets see the "industry leading" they offer us.

 

[NYer]

This is the way Doug Parker Operates !!!! and your absolutely right,there isn't ONE Union that would reject the company actually giving it's members something POSITIVE for a change !!!!!!!!
 
But doing it this way, this 4% will get lumped in with our raises we would have got in our Joint agreement and swallowed up in that ominous cat and mouse ---- give and take ploy by the company as they shift the chips around the table------ giving in chip one while taking away from another !!!!  Not unexpected here tho, Doug's been this way since DAY ONE !!! in his eye's, your a liability, not an asset, the ONLY reason he's even doing it is because Delta has been very publicly calling him OUT on all of this !!!!
 
Merry Christmas Everyone

 
On a day when raises are announced, the negativity is striking. You'd think people would have waited a day or two for this.
 
OK. Your contention is that this raise will be lumped with the other raises. Maybe so, but it is still a raise. On the other hand, the evidence seems to show that it will be above any other raises achieved at the table. This year for instance, we already have the 3% in place and the wage adjuster....then another 4% when we get a JCBA. The other unions received their raise AFTER their deals were in place and was in conjunction to their already negotiated raises.
 
The APFA received an extra $80M and another 4% on top of that. (keep in mind they got the $80M with Parker already knowing there was a 4% bump coming). The APA also received their 4% on top of the airline's last offer. Heck, even the non-union personnel will receive a 4% bump after their 6% raises were already agreed to.
 
OK, but let's be cynical. If you want to continue with the negative vibe, then just tell your negotiating committee to wait until after September 2015 to get a JCBA, then you can guarantee yourself the 3%, the wage adjuster and another 4% on top of that. OR we can continue to scream "bloody hell" and we get nothing for this treasonous airline and inept union.

 

[NYer]

hey ass wipe its a raise we havent gotten, oh wait either have you! if your fleet service. but thats ok in seven years of negotiations we will see the 4%. wait till our time comes lets see the "industry leading" they offer us.

 
It's a raise you've been offered in public and in writing. It is 4% more that you could look forward to yesterday. It is a positive and it is a move towards industry leading.
 
It is truly and amazingly ridiculous to have a negative response towards more money. We had 10 years of no raises and this year we can look forward to a 3% bump in September, a wage adjuster and another 4% bump on top of that....with no sweating from the negotiation committee. For at least a day, that should be good news.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd like to know how someone could advocate that the APFA leadership should refuse the 4% raise when in our TWU contract we have a "No Strike, No Lockout" clause that protects us if another group on our property goes on strike? We actually should call that the "Protect Our Own Butts" clause.

 

[dfw gen]

 
It's a raise you've been offered in public and in writing. It is 4% more that you could look forward to yesterday. It is a positive and it is a move towards industry leading.
 
It is truly and amazingly ridiculous to have a negative response towards more money. We had 10 years of no raises and this year we can look forward to a 3% bump in September, a wage adjuster and another 4% bump on top of that....with no sweating from the negotiation committee. For at least a day, that should be good news.

my response will be positive when i get a raise.... hows the fairy tale where you work going?

 

[etops1]

Some of you guys are a piece of work reading these comments . Go find another job if your so goddam miserable here . If you don't want the money . I am sure someone else will gladly take it . Ungrateful entitled assholes ..