AA applies for Delta's Seattle-Haneda slot

[WorldTraveler]

There are tons of capacity flying from LAX to Asia by multiple carriers.

The market is more than well served despite it being a lot larger.

 

[737823]

There are tons of capacity flying from LAX to Asia by multiple carriers.The market is more than well served despite it being a lot larger.

Including DL to HND.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

and HN to HND as well.

but the capacity that exists doesn't really matter because DL is operating within its rights to suspend service up to 90 days.

People here seem to forget that AA did not operate its JFK-HND on a continuous basis and also has tried 2 times to take DL's route, without success each time.

 

[MAH4546]

DOT ruled today the slot is up for grabs.
 
Applications due January 5th by interested parties. For all intents and purposes, the slot is no longer Delta's to control, with Delta obviously allowed to keep using it until a decision is reached in the round of applications (and Delta is obviously allowed to apply for Seattle-Haneda again, and it will). 
 
DOT stated this:
 
The Department does not need to decide whether Delta’s current level of Seattle-Haneda service triggers the dormancy condition. Where frequency allocations are not being operated effectively, the Department has the authority to reallocate them to ensure that they are used effectively and in a manner that promotes competition and otherwise best serves the public interest. The Department finds that the public interest warrants a proceeding to determine whether it remains in the public interest to allow this limited Haneda opportunity to remain with Delta for service at Seattle, or whether the public interest favors an alternative use of the authority.
 
Now back to that discussion about how DOT can't strip the route from Delta...

 

[commavia]

Now back to that discussion about how DOT can't strip the route from Delta...

 
Once again ... it must suck to be so astoundingly, obnoxiously arrogant and yet so astoundingly wrong.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I am quite sure the Georgia congressional delegation will fix this miscarriage of justice...right after they cure the problems in the middle east.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

it's incredible how many people here think that rules can be just made up and changed on the flyThe DOT can order DL to fly the route more than it is scheduled but they CANNOT strip the route...

 

[FWAAA]

The DOT can order DL to fly the route more than it is scheduled but they CANNOT strip the route w/o undoing all of the requirements that are currently built into the SEA-HND route award and dozens of others.

Looks like the DOT just asserted that it can, in fact, strip an award from an airline that is not using the resources for the public benefit.

AA and HA may lose, and DL may get to keep SEA-HND, but today's news shows that you were wrong.

Maybe DL can appeal to the Supreme Court.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Looks like the DOT just asserted that it can, in fact, strip an award from an airline that is not using the resources for the public benefit.

AA and HA may lose, and DL may get to keep SEA-HND, but today's news shows that you were wrong.

Maybe DL can appeal to the Supreme Court.

and DL can just restart the route.

we'll see.

and maybe AA is just trying to prove how much an airline can lose in one region at the same time.

Latin America and the Pacific and Europe. all at the same time.


and it is very possible that DL may appeal.

 

[MetalMover]

and DL can just restart the route.

we'll see.

and maybe AA is just trying to prove how much an airline can lose in one region at the same time.

Latin America and the Pacific and Europe. all at the same time.


and it is very possible that DL may appeal.

I'm still waiting for the lawsuits YOU said DL would file when LGA and DCA slots were NOT given to Delta.

 

[MetalMover]

and HN to HND as well.

but the capacity that exists doesn't really matter because DL is operating within its rights to suspend service up to 90 days.

People here seem to forget that AA did not operate its JFK-HND on a continuous basis and also has tried 2 times to take DL's route, without success each time.

Months old news but still news none the less.
http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/07/delta-announces-cutbacks-in-the-pacific/

 

[jcw]

and DL can just restart the route.we'll see.and maybe AA is just trying to prove how much an airline can lose in one region at the same time.Latin America and the Pacific and Europe. all at the same time.and it is very possible that DL may appeal.

Right just like DL lost tons of money in MEM and NYC

How long ago did DL buy panam and how many years did DL lose money in NYC to build their network? So if DL can lose money in NY for let's say a decade or more - therefore I assume you would afford AA the same chance to build their network

If you blast AA for losing money in Asia because they are investing in the region them you truly have a double standard

Although let's get on topic DL is at risk of losing the route because of their strategic planning and use of the route authority if DL is so smart and perfect as you describe they would not have got themselves in this pickle

To bad all you fantasy rants that the DOT would never do anything got blown out of the water - you must be unhinged

 

[AANOTOK]

and DL can just restart the route.

we'll see.

and maybe AA is just trying to prove how much an airline can lose in one region at the same time.

Latin America and the Pacific and Europe. all at the same time.


and it is very possible that DL may appeal.

And your lack of ability to admit when you are wrong and yet stunning talent in spinning things truly
makes you one of a kind (and not in a good way) WT.

 

[robbedagain]

boy that's the truth AANOTOK   you nailed it there    WT would never admit when he is wrong  even FWAA just proved it with his post   Too bad WT PRO DL BS interferes with his ability to grasp things

 

[WorldTraveler]

And your lack of ability to admit when you are wrong and yet stunning talent in spinning things truly
makes you one of a kind (and not in a good way) WT.

first, I have no problem with admitting I am wrong.

I have repeatedly said that DL will not operate a flight that loses money.

AA clearly will. that is why AA loses hundreds of millions of dollars per year flying to Asia while DL is still profitable at NRT despite Commavia's assertion that DL is losing there.


DL is also not losing market share.


NYC doesn't report as a separate region in DOT profitability stats. The Pacific does. There was no way to know if DL was making money in NYC.

And despite what some want to believe, AA was also losing money. You don't shrink a money making operation esp when the rest of the company was in BK. To believe that AA wasn't losing money in NYC is beyond foolish.

And DL also decided to grow NYC to the point that it would marginalize other players. and that has happened. AA cannot do that in Japan.

commavia also said that he was surprised that the DOT moved to this step.

I agree.

On that I am willing to admit that I underestimated the DOT. SO did commavia.