AA applies for Delta's Seattle-Haneda slot

[Kev3188]

So now you're in a position to know what was/wasn't said in a meeting I attended?

Okay,then.

 

[WorldTraveler]

then it was hearsay as far as this board is concerned.

given your propensity for seeking the acclaim of your union brethren and cisterns here at the expense of your employer, that hearsay has to be seen in the proper context.

 

[FWAAA]

he said, she said doesn't work in a court of law.

Actually, it does work. It's called "testimony" and despite your erroneous assertion to the contrary, it is, indeed, evidence.

 

[WorldTraveler]

in the case of what Kevin is asserting, it wouldn't.

DL has no empire and no one at DL in any reasonable position would have made such a comment.

 

[LDVAviation]

When AA has to compete in markets like Asia where markets are open, AA doesn't look quite as strong as some want to argue they are.

 
 
Are you really that stupid?

 

[blue collar]

 
 
Are you really that stupid?

Rhetorical question, right?

 

[jcw]

Right the Asia market is so open you have to apply for routes and get the awarded - interesting definition of open

It's like all the business DL took from AA - like DL has never shut down a hub (let's see can you say DFW, CVG, MEM) I'm sure no other airline benefited from those retreats

Or the sale of DCA slots no one benefited from that either

 

[700UW]

You forgot MCO also.

 

[FWAAA]

Right the Asia market is so open you have to apply for routes and get the awarded - interesting definition of open

Well, to be fair, South Korea has been Open Skies since 1998, Japan has been Open Skies since 2010 and for the last several years there have been enough unallocated China frequencies that it might as well be Open Skies.

But Broken Record WT, like many autistic children, repeats himself over and over and over again when he harps on the losses that AA has suffered in building up its Asian presence. He also ignores the history that placed AA at a disadvantage to Northwest.

For more than a decade, AA was locked out of China and was granted only some of its Tokyo requests. Once AA finally won the right to serve China, a huge recession was just around the corner. Since the end of that recession, AA filed for Ch 11 to force more efficient contracts on its pilots and FAs, and since then it has been building up its Asian network. And Broken Record WT is compelled to interject his repetitious nonsense about AA's losses in every thread he encounters. He can't help it - it's just an ASD symptom.

 

[eolesen]

given your propensity for seeking the acclaim of your union brethren and cisterns here at the expense of your employer, that hearsay has to be seen in the proper context.

What exactly is a union cistern?...
 
 

DL has no empire and no one at DL in any reasonable position would have made such a comment.

 
Yeah, not so sure you're right on that WT. I can think of several people (mostly in Hauenstein's group) who feel that way, and have said so behind closed doors in the Admin complex. It's not surprising that it would start to trickle down to something in a station meeting.

 

Well, to be fair, South Korea has been Open Skies since 1998, Japan has been Open Skies since 2010 and for the last several years there have been enough unallocated China frequencies that it might as well be Open Skies.

True, but in Japan, UA and DL still have fifth freedom rights that don't exist for AA.
 

He can't help it - it's just an ASD symptom.

You think?

 

[MAH4546]

True, but in Japan, UA and DL still have fifth freedom rights that don't exist for AA.
 

 
AA has fifth freedom rights from Japan. It can fly TYO-SIN/BKK/etc. That's part of the Open Skies agreement. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Right the Asia market is so open you have to apply for routes and get the awarded - interesting definition of open

It's like all the business DL took from AA - like DL has never shut down a hub (let's see can you say DFW, CVG, MEM) I'm sure no other airline benefited from those retreats

Or the sale of DCA slots no one benefited from that either

HND IS the only major airport in Asia which presents any meaningful barriers to entry to US carriers.

Asia was accessible to US carriers including AA long before Latin America or LHR and even now it is far easier to get a slot in Latin America or Asia except for HND than it is at LHR.

And, yes, MAH is right. AA could fly anything from NRT right now.

AA and UA traded open skies at NRT for JVs with JL and NH and limited access to HND. Too bad that the Japanese government is the one that has made access to HND so worthless although JL and NH are trying to use the poor timing they do have for US-HND flights in order to provide some connectivity and an advantage over DL.

For the umpteenth time, a hub is just a bunch of connecting passengers that are added to the local market. The local market is what matters in a city. Any airline can and does route connecting passengers all throughout its network.

DL has closed hubs but it has retained its share of the local market; the same is absolutely not true of AA which has the worst track record of retaining the local market after hub closures of any airline.

the reason for the broken record is because some people don't get some of these basic concepts, FWAAA.

and if DL referred to its network behind closed doors, then it would take a whole lot of evidence to prove in court what was said.

It was far easier to prove AA and US' plans to raise fares as a result of the merger which was precisely why the DOJ ordered the largest divestiture of assets in US carrier history which has absolutely benefitted B6 and WN because loose lips Parker didn't have the ability to strategically think thru the implications of what he said or US did.

 

[MAH4546]

Delta said it’s studying American’s filing, “which appears to have no merit.”
 

 
Too bad DOT doesn't agree with Delta.
 
DOT is allowing the motion to proceed. Answers are due October 17th. 

 

[MetalMover]

 
Too bad DOT doesn't agree with Delta.
 
DOT is allowing the motion to proceed. Answers are due October 17th. 

Well since Delta says American's request has no merit, AA should just shut down completely. 

 

[jcw]

HND IS the only major airport in Asia which presents any meaningful barriers to entry to US carriers.Asia was accessible to US carriers including AA long before Latin America or LHR and even now it is far easier to get a slot in Latin America or Asia except for HND than it is at LHR.And, yes, MAH is right. AA could fly anything from NRT right now.AA and UA traded open skies at NRT for JVs with JL and NH and limited access to HND. Too bad that the Japanese government is the one that has made access to HND so worthless although JL and NH are trying to use the poor timing they do have for US-HND flights in order to provide some connectivity and an advantage over DL.For the umpteenth time, a hub is just a bunch of connecting passengers that are added to the local market. The local market is what matters in a city. Any airline can and does route connecting passengers all throughout its network.DL has closed hubs but it has retained its share of the local market; the same is absolutely not true of AA which has the worst track record of retaining the local market after hub closures of any airline.the reason for the broken record is because some people don't get some of these basic concepts, FWAAA.and if DL referred to its network behind closed doors, then it would take a whole lot of evidence to prove in court what was said.It was far easier to prove AA and US' plans to raise fares as a result of the merger which was precisely why the DOJ ordered the largest divestiture of assets in US carrier history which has absolutely benefitted B6 and WN because loose lips Parker didn't have the ability to strategically think thru the implications of what he said or US did.

So DL exited DFW and has the same market share now as before

What meds produce this type of logic