AA applies for Delta's Seattle-Haneda slot

[jcw]

Oh so AA is not following the rules by asking for route authority - actually it is following the rules - it followed the process and applied for a route that is basically dormant - DL is not using the spirit of the authority - actually AA does follow the rules - routes that it could not use it returned unlike DL

 

[eolesen]

Technically, DL can do what they're doing without too much risk based on past DOT actions, however the DOT can always invoke 401(g) and alter, amend, or revoke a route authority "in whole or in part if the public convenience and necessity so require."

 

[commavia]

Technically, DL can do what they're doing without too much risk based on past DOT actions

 
Yep - and that's why I suspect this attempt will ultimately be unsuccessful.  Nonetheless, I think it's great that AA is keeping Delta on its toes.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Technically, DL can do what they're doing without too much risk based on past DOT actions, however the DOT can always invoke 401(g) and alter, amend, or revoke a route authority "in whole or in part if the public convenience and necessity so require."

careful there.... the whole US legal system is built on precedent. if someone decides to start throwing the whole thing out the window and start from scratch with the way someone else wants, then stuff like the slot divestiture and DAL gate rules could just as easily go out the window.

You don't really want to go there. I can assure you. DL has far more to gain from others than to lose.

And DL will keep the SEA HND route just active and if the DOT says that what DL is doing isn't sufficient, they will order DL to operate it or lose it.

They can't and won't just take it.

This will be AA's 3rd failure to get a route from LAX to HND.

 

[jcw]

once again AA is being aggressive in getting route authorities - what if DL tried this for someone else's dormant route - you would be calling it a great strategy
 
don't tell us to be careful there - it's a filing with the DOT and the DOT can figure out what it wants to do - if I remember correctly DL was lobbying the DOT to prevent the AA/US merger - so once again it's OK to for DL to push on the DOT for things it want - but AA can't do it - can you say double standard
 
I doubt the DOT will take the authority away from DL - however hats off to AA for trying

 

[eolesen]

careful there.... the whole US legal system is built on precedent. if someone decides to start throwing the whole thing out the window and start from scratch with the way someone else wants, then stuff like the slot divestiture and DAL gate rules could just as easily go out the window.

You don't really want to go there. I can assure you. DL has far more to gain from others than to lose.

If you really think that a grossly underused route authority would unravel things, then go ahead and pull that piece of string all you want. The world would be just fine if slot controls went away, perimeter rules went away, and airports operators got to decide for themselves just how big or small they want to be without the threat of lawsuits.

But, it ain't gonna happen.

 

[commavia]

If you really think that a grossly underused route authority would unravel things, then go ahead and pull that piece of string all you want. The world would be just fine if slot controls went away, perimeter rules went away, and airports operators got to decide for themselves just how big or small they want to be without the threat of lawsuits.

But, it ain't gonna happen.

 
No, no, no ... you don't understand.  As we all know, the universe revolves around ATL, and the sun never sets on the Delta empire.  As such, anything - legal, competitive, or otherwise - that in any way challenges Delta's supremacy will not only cause global governmental and regulatory institutions to crumble, but indeed will actually knock the Earth off its axis.  Scary stuff ... better defer to Delta on everything, just to be safe.
 

 

[Kev3188]

and the sun never sets on the Delta empire.

Not for nothing, but that exact quote was dropped in some internal messaging my station was subjected to not all that long ago.

 

[WorldTraveler]

post it, Kevin.

but it doesn't take too great of an imagination to realize that aircraft operating for AA, DL, and UA are always in the air.

Empire? I doubt it.

If you really think that a grossly underused route authority would unravel things, then go ahead and pull that piece of string all you want. The world would be just fine if slot controls went away, perimeter rules went away, and airports operators got to decide for themselves just how big or small they want to be without the threat of lawsuits.

But, it ain't gonna happen.

yes, that is EXACTLY the discussion we are having about DAL and yet we have legions of AA and WN fankids who are arguing for protectionism.

So, no, AA and WN really couldn't survive if they had to compete against anything that came along.

Like WN, AA has built large portions of its network around markets where other carriers weren't able to enter for years.

When AA has to compete in markets like Asia where markets are open, AA doesn't look quite as strong as some want to argue they are.

Further, even in LHR where AA has a dominant position as a result of its JV but where other carriers have gained considerable access of late, those carriers are not only gaining market share but doing it with fares that are a whole lot more like AA's fares than what AA is doing in other carrier strength markets.

 

[Kev3188]

post it, Kevin.

Pretty sure I just did.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no you didn't.

you just told us what you thought they said.

he said, she said doesn't work in a court of law.

 

[commavia]

AA and Southwest "can't compete!"  Ha!  There it is - I was waiting for today's gem!
 
I swear you could make one of those daily desk calendars out of all these hilarious quotes, sort of like Far Side (and just as surrealistic).  Or perhaps putting these quotes on toilet paper would be more appropriate?  I'll leave that decision to others.

 

[Kev3188]

Anthropomorphic dogs are always fun...

 

[Kev3188]

he said, she said doesn't work in a court of law.

Good thing no one's going to court then, huh?

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA and Southwest "can't compete!"  Ha!  There it is - I was waiting for today's gem!
 
I swear you could make one of those daily desk calendars out of all these hilarious quotes, sort of like Far Side (and just as surrealistic).  Or perhaps putting these quotes on toilet paper would be more appropriate?  I'll leave that decision to others.

it's all funny until the stats show how much market share AA has lost at the hands of DL.

Of course AA is trying to fight back... they've been knocked around in key markets by DL long enough that they have to act like they have a backbone.

The honeymoon is still young and the competitive environment for AA is accelerating far more so than for any other carrier.

so, Kev, your accusation that DL has an EMPIRE in the eyes of a DL leader isn't really validated and is just another of your little white lies that you trot out when you need the support of your union peeps here?