AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[ALUS78]

NYer, I'm not sure what you are revering to, but I have no doubt you are correct. I have been told that bids, will be worse because seniority is not always followed 100%...I have also heard that the way we do bids (bid specific jobs and work areas) under the new contract managment will have more As Assigned shifts therefore having more control over who goes where. One other thing is management will play a bigger role in the overall bid...have no clue if this is true but it does sound like compared to what AA is use to, those who do not like to work but watch others do so will have a more difficult time doing so. Just some things folks were discussing.

Our leads usually give an input as to what is needed in the work area they cover.An LAA manager never heard of this said if he did that with LAA they would all scream for more people not really whats needed.So he doesn't ask input on the bid.What do you mean by specific areas?? its broken down to Bagroom,Ramp,ABR,Inbound scanning etc and of course it goes by seniority

 

[CremaDiLimone]

What do you mean by specific areas?? its broken down to Bagroom,Ramp,ABR,Inbound scanning etc and of course it goes by seniority

in laa hubs with intl flights, many more specific work areas...including lavs. deicing? delays? ground/air interrupts.

these guys are small league. thousands of workers will come in each day not knowing where they'll be? where will they store their gear/food? turnover will be a train-wreck.

not every city is like phx...weather and volume of flights.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Local managers can give extra swaps if needed

also assign their favorites to where their favorites want to be...overtime-wise.

 

[NYer]

that's all the money right there.

you acknowledge a gap at the moment.

there should be no gap at all.

And to have no gap some guys need to give something up?

Everyone is worried about the neighbor. We went a decade with nothing. We went though a BK and now we can get back some things that were taken away but we won't because now we're not happy unless we take from someone else?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

We went though a BK and now we can get back some things that were taken away but we won't because now we're not happy unless we take from someone else?

excuse me? who is taking from whom???

there's a reason why our DOS raises are lame and why we aren't getting what everyone else is getting as a 'bonus'.

delta +.1 red cent.

 

[ALUS78]

also assign their favorites to where their favorites want to be...overtime-wise.

I guess the administration clerk who was bought lunch

 

[ALUS78]

in laa hubs with intl flights, many more specific work areas...including lavs. deicing? delays? ground/air interrupts.

these guys are small league. thousands of workers will come in each day not knowing where they'll be? where will they store their gear/food? turnover will be a train-wreck.

not every city is like phx...weather and volume of flights.

I think your over reacting

 

[BeechDriver]

And to have no gap some guys need to give something up?

Everyone is worried about the neighbor. We went a decade with nothing. We went though a BK and now we can get back some things that were taken away but we won't because now we're not happy unless we take from someone else?

That's BS. Since when is having a level field with everyone being compensated the same value equated with wanting to take away from others. I don't want to take away ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. I just want to be compensated equally however that may be.

If IAM medical is more valuable and TWU brothers and sisters are excluded then we should be compensated accordingly by other means. Why is it a problem for the IAM for TWU to catch up in pay and benefits in what ever combination now that we supposedly all work for the same company under the same agreement?

If the TWU was further behind, then of course the TWU will have to gain more just to catch up. Why is that a problem?

I've worked 180 extra days since 2003. 40 extra days since negotiations supposedly opened. I guess I can wait a few more years for the ASS to get this fixed. Maybe we will be rid of the ASS by then.

Sign a frickin card already. WTF

 

[CremaDiLimone]

And to have no gap some guys need to give something up?

Everyone is worried about the neighbor. We went a decade with nothing. We went though a BK and now we can get back some things that were taken away but we won't because now we're not happy unless we take from someone else?

also, watch and see. eventually, envoy will get signed.

i'll bet the twu gets them more than a 4.7% raise on their DOS. this is envoy we're talking about.

from what i've heard at work...and i'm not happy, but there are many more who are very angry:

- exploring a way to get rid of the twu. a few are saying the only option left are the teamsters. this will bubble further if iam work rules are applied.

- no twu president will get re-elected. the poor presidents got done in by those who seemingly have jobs for life - and doing a crap job not looking after their dues-payers.

a few at work have shown me posts (i'm not on facebook) from an ex-poster around here and he's all for this AIP. it's his prerogative - i feel all are entitled to their opinion(s), but the pro-nelson people are saying tim nelson was correct all along...doing this to get a twu job.

believe it or not, nelson has some twu supporters in my station.

also, my opinion is that tim nelson was more or less correct about much of the details. it figures, since this was an exclusive iam operation. any twu fly would have been a false flag operation.

i wanted delta +3%, $6k bonus and full retro...that's where i stand with this. i agree with those that said the money in this deal was a 'yes' in 2017. to me, not in 2020.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

That's BS. Since when is having a level field with everyone being compensated the same value equated with wanting to take away from others. I don't want to take away from ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. I just want to be compensated equally however that may be.

If IAM medical is more valuable and TWU brothers and sisters are excluded then we should be compensated accordingly by other means. Why is it a problem for the IAM for TWU to catch up in pay and benefits in what ever combination now that we supposedly all work for the same company under the same agreement?

If the TWU was further behind, then of course the TWU will have to gain more just to catch up. Why is that a problem?

I've worked 180 extra days since 2003. 40 extra days since negotiations supposedly opened. I guess I can wait a few more years for the ASS to get this fixed. Maybe we will be rid of the ASS by then.

Sign a frickin card already. WTF

great post.

 

[enough already]

February 4, 2020
What to Know About the Early Out Offer
Sisters and Brothers,
The Company has informed the Association that they are planning to offer an Early Out to Association Members at some point and time under terms and conditions established by the Company.
Why is this not part of the Agreement in Principle:
1. As part of the negotiation process over the past several years, the Company has discussed offering an Early Out to Association Members. The Association informed the Company that if we were to agree to an Early Out as part of the contract it would have to be offered by Seniority to any Member in the system who applied. The Company stated they could not agree to such application.
2. In the last session, prior to reaching an Agreement in Principle on the terms and conditions of open items that the Association had proposed, the Company indicated that the cost of offering an Early Out during the JCBA was going to cost millions of dollars. The Association did not agree to any cost for an Early Out since it is a program the Company will unilaterally offer and is not part of the collective bargaining agreement. In fact, the carrier could have made the offer at any time, since it was never a part of our negotiations.
3. So, an Early Out could be offered by the Company, but since the Company does not agree to offer such Early Out by Seniority as the Association discussed, the terms and conditions of the Early Out will be solely established by the Company.
Many of you have sacrificed much over the years and may have the opportunity to participate in an Early Out, but the Association could not agree to allow the Company to circumvent a Member’s Seniority or allow millions of dollars to be held over our heads in negotiations.
Please Post on All TWU- IAM Bulletin Boards

 

[dfw gen]

Turn it down or accept it?
If we turn it down is the hope that the association goes back and improves it to our satisfaction. What would be the time frame?
hold out to get enough cards to replace them? What is the time frame for that?


Or accept it?

 

[AANOTOK]

Our leads usually give an input as to what is needed in the work area they cover.An LAA manager never heard of this said if he did that with LAA they would all scream for more people not really whats needed.So he doesn't ask input on the bid.What do you mean by specific areas?? its broken down to Bagroom,Ramp,ABR,Inbound scanning etc and of course it goes by seniority

AL, what AA has done is taken good jobs (ones senior folks would bid) and made them part time. Also have taken some jobs the a senior guy would bid and add it do an as assigned pool and cutting it by one therefore eliminating good jobs.

 

[swamt]

The Association is recommending a yes vote , did you get that in your meetings?
I don’t see this being voted down it would be a huge waste of time

In the beginning? Yes, we did. Like I said, after we met with the economist and got all the info and all pertaining graphs and charts explaining everything in great detail, is when the membership stood for making ourselves whole. Our nego cmte did the same as yours is doing now, they did at first agree to bring it out for a vote and even told the company (at first) that they should be able to recommend it. Later, after allowing our economist go thru it with a fine tooth comb, did we all find out how tricky the company was being with their explanations and math goofs. When you are looking at almost 7 years of back wages, 7 years of back 401K and PS compounded %, and interest etc... It takes a professional economist and accountants to go thru all that and explain in forensic accounting details how we were missing out on 37 million plus on the front half alone.
Sorry VO, but I would not vote yes or no without reading, taking in, evaluating every word that changes within the new contract. Sometimes work rules and regs and outsourcing as well as other language could be more costly than the $$$ most only see in a new contract offer. Hiring our independent professional economist and accountants for our contract was the best money spent and well, well worth it, YOU guys should do the same and stop believing everything this asso tells you for once.

 

[NYer]

excuse me? who is taking from whom???

there's a reason why our DOS raises are lame and why we aren't getting what everyone else is getting as a 'bonus'.

delta +.1 red cent.

Everyone lost their heads with the PS. Enjoy!

Ridiculous to lose 3% in pay for a PS bump.