AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

why would it take another year or 2??

the money is there. reshuffle it.

move the toggle switch from point iam to between point iam and point twu.
Not going to happen. Sito is fighting a losing fight for his life. He will never agree to it, he got what he thinks he wants.
 
PJ. How did they agree to the AIP whereas catering is gon except CLT n PHL? Ive been asked n i have no answer. Its real good to see 5 new cities come back. Going to 32.29 is nice but DL n UA will go ahead of us as will Customer service. Just a matter of time. I do like the retirement with the 401K match. This was supposed to bring both groups together but it sure keeps us seperate w different health plans

How can anyone consider that togetherness means someone has to sacrifice themselves?

From 2003 to 2012 we didn't get anything. We're in the position to regain many things we've sought for more than a decade but we won't do it until another group sacrifices something?

This self destructive behavior is incredible.
 
I have been told the same, one votes yes, it's a yes for them and if any other workgroup votes no, they go back to the table.
I believe I heard that from one of the negotiators...

Once they (TWU Members) see the language there will be a change of heart. Don't think most are prepared for all the IAM language they'll see.
 
Not going to happen. Sito is fighting a losing fight for his life. He will never agree to it, he got what he thinks he wants.

?? you lost me on this.

if sito is solely looking out for the iam, then by default, american airlines was/is my friend in negotiations. aa must have fought sito since 2015 trying to get a fair deal for all it's assoc. employees.

to me, sito and garcia each forfeited their positions.

company said here, take this - sito pushed that money into the iam corner. where was garcia?
 
?? you lost me on this.

if sito is solely looking out for the iam, then by default, american airlines was/is my friend in negotiations. aa must have fought sito since 2015 trying to get a fair deal for all it's assoc. employees.

to me, sito and garcia each forfeited their positions.

company said here, take this - sito pushed that money into the iam corner. where was garcia?
Alex and Gary sat in the truck. The TWU had absolutely zero reps at the table
 
?? you lost me on this.

if sito is solely looking out for the iam, then by default, american airlines was/is my friend in negotiations. aa must have fought sito since 2015 trying to get a fair deal for all it's assoc. employees.

to me, sito and garcia each forfeited their positions.

company said here, take this - sito pushed that money into the iam corner. where was garcia?
You probably have a good point. I told peterson many times he was negotiating with the company and the iam
 
You guys kicked our ass’s right out of the starting gate with your retro n signing bonus.
No retro is a non starter for me. Then all the other baggage left to deal with the next contract as well. I probably won’t see another contract so keeping the membership divided isn’t the end of the world but it’s unproffessional as hell and an embarrassment to unionism.
These clowns spent 4 years doing what???
It’s time to put our big boy pants on and take contro of our own future and out of the hands of this industrial fake unionism.
Vote no and sign a card!
I couldn't agree more. I too was a big time NO vote due to our first offer was not full retro. We have to stop these co's from getting away with pennies on the dollars when they stall out nego's for so long, starve the membership, until they just jump on the first offer, like SWA wanted us to do the first time.
I didn't include the retro and bonus for these reasons: First, our retro was for longer time span than your current offer. Second; Our bonus ("Snap-Up") was an average of 3% per year missed for the last 6 years, then an added 2% for the missed 2% on final year of our last contract which was only 1% of final year for a total of 20% (which is why it was called "Snap-Up". And then another 3% a month later when Aug 16th crossed again as that is our "original" amendable contract date. And Thirdly; Our final retroactive payments wer 14.5 million over what our actual "full retro" was suppose to be. This "overpayment", if ya will, was to guarantee a passing vote with the added request to move 8 lines of maint from American outsourcers to foreign outsourcing. Not fan of that at all, but, what do ya do when it's been 7 years in the waiting, "full retro" plus, Snap-Up that equals what we would have received anyway, and a final 3% on each and every year outgoing (which is what you guys should getting for each of your outgoing years).
Time to fire these worthless pukes and get a C&C union in there for representation.
 
Haven't heard from this guy yet about what he thinks of the agreement.

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You have to be a complete idiot to vote no to this TA and then say bring in AMFA and continue losing money for a undetermined amount of time. I am all for switching to AMFA. But to continue losing money would make us the laughing stock of the Aviation World.
Look we heard that exact same reasoning at SWA about our first offer too. But after the road shows and the economist explaining in detail what we were missing out on and how it could get done and us made whole again, then we all became super united and fought for the full retro, correct Snap up, and 3% for outgoing years (all of them) as they were trying to duck out of paying us for 2 of the outgoing years. AND we were also made whole in 401K and PS as well as compounded interest and increases on yearly increases. Therefore, we were actually made whole. Yes we were without our money up front, but we did what we were missing in the end. So to say that you will keep losing money is somewhat correct, but just for now, as long as this asso. and the membership can get united enough to pull it off. Now, UNFORTUNATELY, I am not too sure this can happen with all these (7?) groups within the same contract and is the #1 reason why the mechanic and related needs to get their own C&C union. This way the focus can and will be on the mechanic and related and that's it. Let the industrial unions keep representing the other 6 groups at AA. Then you guys would be able to 100% unite and be strong to hold out for being made whole in the end. Right now too much focus is on the IAM boys, and the Fleet boys. It's time to get a union in there to solely focus on mechanics and related and all issues that affect them only. This IS exactly why the PIlots and F/A's have done it in the past.
BTW; I think this asso. screwed you mechanics and related over the outstanding suit at hand by not even fighting for "full retro" and the correct bonus to help offset that suit cost. So not 100% satisfied if it can get done with your current issues and why I will still support either a No vote and vote AMFA in, as well as a Yes vote and still vote AMFA in. I do understand why some are saying both.
 
Haven't heard from this guy yet about what he thinks of the agreement.

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Yea. He sure showed them didn't he?
You ever notice how the Pilots, F/A's and even our mechanic groups have done our info picket shows. Not yelling, screaming and cursing, and threatening. Just standing there quiet with signs that say "professionally" what needs to be said. Taken a lot more serious when it's done in a professional and respectable manner. And by the way, dress in uniforms or at least sharply dressed, look professional too.
 

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