AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Fleetofoot, If you are not in Title1 or title 2, you can't sign a card, if you are part of our class and craft I am sure if you ask your fellow mechanics they will get you to the organizer at JFK.

Fleetoffoot if you send me a msg thru this in conversations I can give you a contact name.

 

[Racer X]

Does that include the flow thru items? Was that a coincidence during seperate negotiations?

I’m Not exactly sure what you are asking...the flow thru items are the things that are the same throughout all the agreements. Fleet will vote on the entire fleet agreement inclusive of the flow thru items. If it passes or not will be specific to fleet.

 

[dfw gen]

I’m Not exactly sure what you are asking...the flow thru items are the things that are the same throughout all the agreements. Fleet will vote on the entire fleet agreement inclusive of the flow thru items. If it passes or not will be specific to fleet.

Exactly, so how are negotiations seperate if the flow thru items are predetermined? No there were no seperate negotiations the agreement today is the same one that was avaiable two years ago. The predetermined one

 

[Racer X]

Exactly, so how are negotiations seperate if the flow thru items are predetermined? No there were no seperate negotiations the agreement today is the same one that was avaiable two years ago. The predetermined one

What do you mean predetermined? The flow thru items were negotiated

 

[Racer X]

Exactly, so how are negotiations seperate if the flow thru items are predetermined? No there were no seperate negotiations the agreement today is the same one that was avaiable two years ago. The predetermined one

Where are you getting that it’s the same agreement from 2 yrs ago? Wages, scope , retirement etc are all items that weren’t even completed then.

 

[scorpion 2]

Ok thanks for the info. The line prem. does in fact put you guys above us by 1.00. We do not have a line prem. So, as far as pay rates they(asso.) will pound the IL drum as IL.


Not long at all, as most were suggesting for some time now. Our 3% out years raises as well as the 6% lead (CC) and the 12% for inspector lead above top out mech., will move ahead within 1-2 years of you new contract.

You guys kicked our ass’s right out of the starting gate with your retro n signing bonus.
No retro is a non starter for me. Then all the other baggage left to deal with the next contract as well. I probably won’t see another contract so keeping the membership divided isn’t the end of the world but it’s unproffessional as hell and an embarrassment to unionism.
These clowns spent 4 years doing what???
It’s time to put our big boy pants on and take contro of our own future and out of the hands of this industrial fake unionism.
Vote no and sign a card!

 

[dfw gen]

What do you mean predetermined? The flow thru items were negotiated

Ok.

 

[Racer X]

Ok.

Do you know what is meant by flow through items?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I agree with you,you should be par,
probably all IAM agree with you, Your really have to complain to your union about that.

complain to our union? our union is with this program. when intelligent people with twu connections are backing this AIP for selfish reasons, i know the twu is ok with this AIP. no use complaining there.

many with my seniority are terrified of scope and will vote 'yes' if there are no major scope changes. they are terrified of having to do work. this is the company's fault...this company is broken. some people walking around doing nothing all day, in front of mngt. they would take a $1 pay cut and give it to lus to continue with scams.

so, if laa scammers and the twu are all ok with lus assoc. members walking away with more, not much anyone can do.

only way is if the cs policy change is so drastic that will be the catalyst for a 'no' vote.

 

[NYer]

a "perceived" advantage?? you're saying that the compensatory disparity that we all see in this AIP between lus and laa is a 'perception'? what was 2014-2020 for lus..holidays/holiday pay/sk time/cheaper insurance???? a mirage?

you neglected to post what i had stated...what i would demand if a 'no' vote won out.

can we get more? maybe. do i want the fleet money reshuffled? definitely. lus ALREADY had a party for the last 5 1/2 years. the exclusive party is over, time for all to party together...tell us you want their exclusive party to continue for another 5 years.

as far as the rest - to me, sito and garcia have each forfeited their respective positions. one for blatantly denying an equal share offered by the company to the majority of dues-paying assoc. members and the other for malfeasance. let trumka figure it all out.

further - if you were a general in my army, i'd demote you 3 ranks for defeatism and stockholm syndrome. you are now captain NYer.

i know you're smarter than that. i know you don't want to publicly scold the twu where your words may hamper intl. aspirations. no other reason...i know you are argumentative, not sure why you are arguing this.

Could care less what they think. The Association has done a terrible job almost from the beginning.

Their exclusive party for 5.5 years. That needs to stop, in your view.

So in order to do that, we should vote no and send everyone back for another year or two? In the meantime, this supposed exclusivity continues. We're to sacrifice advancement so we can extract from others?

But hey. Maybe there are changes. I'm sure you can get 7K or 8K to vote against themselves so TWU Members can feel things are even. Right?

I mean really?

Not only do we forgo a raise, 401K match, higher PS, more holidays, more vacation, more sick days but we actually help the IAM keep a wider margin on us? Then expect them to vote against themselves?

 

[NYer]

The TWU and the IAM had an equal number of negotiators, Yet, you guys with your infinite wisdom, kept changing yours, so there was zero continuity with the TWU negotiators. The IAM had veto power for the first 2 years, then the TWU for the next 2, and so on. So how did you not get an equal voice? Would you guys let us have an equal voice had the TWU been our sole representative? And be honest here. Most of you would have used the LUS guys as stepping stones to get more for yourselves. And I am not saying you would have dfw gen, but you know of those who I am talking about. I do not get the hate aimed at the LUS people, our union did it's job and protected it's members to the best of their ability. The TWU folded like a cheap suit, and that's our fault how?

They don't understand the failure of their representation.

 

[NYer]

dfw gen,

I hope that this CBA is a good hybrid of both, because there is a good amount of TWU language also I believe. I will judge when I see it in the mail and actually read the language. And thank you

In Fleet, it's about 80% IAM.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

So in order to do that, we should vote no and send everyone back for another year or two?

why would it take another year or 2??

the money is there. reshuffle it.

move the toggle switch from point iam to between point iam and point twu.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Not only do we forgo a raise, 401K match, higher PS, more holidays, more vacation, more sick days but we actually help the IAM keep a wider margin on us? Then expect them to vote against themselves?

that's all the money right there.

you acknowledge a gap at the moment.

there should be no gap at all.

 

[dfw gen]

Could care less what they think. The Association has done a terrible job almost from the beginning.

Their exclusive party for 5.5 years. That needs to stop, in your view.

So in order to do that, we should vote no and send everyone back for another year or two? In the meantime, this supposed exclusivity continues. We're to sacrifice advancement so we can extract from others?

But hey. Maybe there are changes. I'm sure you can get 7K or 8K to vote against themselves so TWU Members can feel things are even. Right?

I mean really?

Not only do we forgo a raise, 401K match, higher PS, more holidays, more vacation, more sick days but we actually help the IAM keep a wider margin on us? Then expect them to vote against themselves?

Have to say i agree on all points, especially where the association has done a terrible job from day 1.
Personally i hope we "vote it in and vote them out"
Screwing title 2 has gained some interest.
This ta while not industry leading without reading the details is not good nor bad. Definitely not worth a 5 year wait. This ta will probably be voted in for maintenance, couldnt ask for a better windfall for change. Its almost as if they want to be fired.