AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[AANOTOK]

That deicing in dfw used to be aircraft maintenance work until fleet took it away... just a little history lesson for ya there kid...

Deicing for $1000, Alex
This group handled deicing in Dallas before being taken away by Fleet.
Who are Mechanics, Alex.
Right, you now have $10,000 and are in the lead.
Let’s take a minute to learn about our players.
AANOTOK, a little about you.
Sure, I’m 60 years old, Married with two lovely kids and going on 37 plus years at AA. (Why that last question was pretty easy, Alex).
So you’re no kid anymore and definitely know all about AA’s past?
Yes, you could say that Alex.

 

[pjirish317]

a "perceived" advantage?? you're saying that the compensatory disparity that we all see in this AIP between lus and laa is a 'perception'? what was 2014-2020 for lus..holidays/holiday pay/sk time/cheaper insurance???? a mirage?

No it was not a mirage, it was a stand alone agreement between the IAM and USAirways, not AA. You (the TWU) were under a BK agreement because of AA. So the disparity is our fault how?

you neglected to post what i had stated...what i would demand if a 'no' vote won out.

can we get more? maybe. do i want the fleet money reshuffled? definitely. lus ALREADY had a party for the last 5 1/2 years. the exclusive party is over, time for all to party together...tell us you want their exclusive party to continue for another 5 years.

Again, that party had ZERO to do with the Association, it was because of a standalone agreement between USAirways and the IAM, why are you mad about that? You had a BK agreement, we did not. Green with envy because of that?

as far as the rest - to me, sito and garcia have each forfeited their respective positions. one for blatantly denying an equal share offered by the company to the majority of dues-paying assoc. members and the other for malfeasance. let trumka figure it all out.

So you are just mad that the "majority" couldn't steamroll the "minority" for a few pieces of silver. I remember some on here touting the AA insurance as being good. Look LAA would have screwed over the LUS people for holidays and doubletime. LAA didn't make insurance a priority, LUS did. LAA (most anyway) have a perception as being arrogant, entitled pricks. And when they don't get what they want or want what someone else has they whine and cry about it, stomp their feet and hold their breath till they turn blue. Had the whole of the TWU supported the IAM insurance from the start would there have been a different outcome? who knows, the fact is that LAA did not.

further - if you were a general in my army, i'd demote you 3 ranks for defeatism and stockholm syndrome. you are now captain NYer.

You never would have been in my army.

i know you're smarter than that. i know you don't want to publicly scold the twu where your words may hamper intl. aspirations. no other reason...i know you are argumentative, not sure why you are arguing this.

 

[Buck]

Where and what besides Deicing, does Fleet Service have?

 

[lax]

What did the TWU lose because of the association? Not because of 2003 or bankruptcy, but because of the Association?

The Right to vote on a Collective Bargaining Representative....isn't that enough

 

[Buck]

The Right to vote on a Collective Bargaining Representative....isn't that enough

The right to vote on everything in the Association?

 

[lax]

No it was not a mirage, it was a stand alone agreement between the IAM and USAirways, not AA. You (the TWU) were under a BK agreement because of AA. So the disparity is our fault how?

A stand alone agreement in name only. Doug Parker gave you that deal because he knew he'd have the means to pay it with AA money. Don't kid yourself

 

[lax]

Where and what besides Deicing, does Fleet Service have?

Yes sir! That included

 

[robbedagain]

Where and what besides Deicing, does Fleet Service have?

Remember when MTR used to park planes n push em off gate too

 

[dfw gen]

What did the TWU lose because of the association? Not because of 2003 or bankruptcy, but because of the Association?

i have a really good idea what the association will be losing shortly....

 

[dfw gen]

What did the TWU lose because of the association? Not because of 2003 or bankruptcy, but because of the Association?

the right to vote.

 

[dfw gen]

What did the TWU lose because of the association? Not because of 2003 or bankruptcy, but because of the Association?

any chance of an equal voice?

 

[pjirish317]

A stand alone agreement in name only. Doug Parker gave you that deal because he knew he'd have the means to pay it with AA money. Don't kid yourself

Don't kid yourself, AA was in BK or right out of BK when we got that agreement. Doesn't matter how, but ole Doug was not in charge of the merged airline then was he?

So taking insurance out of it, what did the TWU lose? What is wrong with this AIP? I'm asking Fleet not MTC please.

 

[Filter]

The point of this whole thing is not whether de icing is only seasonal, or that it doesn't ice frequently. The point is Mr Baskett, or Charlie Brown, or whomever is saying the TWU did not lose anything, and that is wrong. This is basically saying quit your bitching TWU, you didn't lose anything. WRONG

Agree with this...for years while Kelly Moore was in DFW we would get 240 extra heads for deicing and through attrition over the course of the year it would get down to let’s say 160....they would hire 80 to get back to that 240...and I’m not including the amount of OT that will be lost...anyone that claims this isn’t a loss is being obtuse or ignorant, or both...this was done so gates wouldn’t have to be closed.

 

[pjirish317]

any chance of an equal voice?

The TWU and the IAM had an equal number of negotiators, Yet, you guys with your infinite wisdom, kept changing yours, so there was zero continuity with the TWU negotiators. The IAM had veto power for the first 2 years, then the TWU for the next 2, and so on. So how did you not get an equal voice? Would you guys let us have an equal voice had the TWU been our sole representative? And be honest here. Most of you would have used the LUS guys as stepping stones to get more for yourselves. And I am not saying you would have dfw gen, but you know of those who I am talking about. I do not get the hate aimed at the LUS people, our union did it's job and protected it's members to the best of their ability. The TWU folded like a cheap suit, and that's our fault how?

 

[1986Mekanic]

Deicing for $1000, Alex
This group handled deicing in Dallas before being taken away by Fleet.
Who are Mechanics, Alex.
Right, you now have $10,000 and are in the lead.
Let’s take a minute to learn about our players.
AANOTOK, a little about you.
Sure, I’m 60 years old, Married with two lovely kids and going on 37 plus years at AA. (Why that last question was pretty easy, Alex).
So you’re no kid anymore and definitely know all about AA’s past?
Yes, you could say that Alex.

I stand corrected grandpa...