AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[Rogallo]

Stop using common sense and logic.

Those concepts don't work at the 'New' AA........and "The Association"

Lucky for me I'll be done with this fustercluck before the next amendable date arrives.

Good Luck Kids!

 

[V.O. Reason]

According to an email sent out by MB, all who are not currently in the IAM med plan will get a one time only chance to get in it after DOS. This was how I read this email.
Anyone else confirm this?

 

[robbedagain]

The way i read it was the TWU wanted to be in it but the company would not budge..hence 2 different plans. But the IAM loses the 100% coverage. N furthermore company reserves right to amend 90% coverage. But ive interpreted as losing it? ILC? I dont believe it is an ILC bec we will be tied w DL at TOS but it wont be long before UA jumps on top n DL follows suit n we will be stuck at well the bottom of the barrel

 

[Racer X]

According to an email sent out by MB, all who are not currently in the IAM med plan will get a one time only chance to get in it after DOS. This was how I read this email.
Anyone else confirm this?

I Didn’t see that in his email. I heard any LUS not currently in the LUS plan will have a one time option to get in on next open enrollment.

 

[1AA]

The way i read it was the TWU wanted to be in it but the company would not budge..hence 2 different plans. But the IAM loses the 100% coverage. N furthermore company reserves right to amend 90% coverage. But ive interpreted as losing it? ILC? I dont believe it is an ILC bec we will be tied w DL at TOS but it wont be long before UA jumps on top n DL follows suit n we will be stuck at well the bottom of the barrel

ILC went out the hangar door many months ago.

 

[swamt]

The override was and is the highest of the legacy carriers...I guess that’s what I remembered.

Ok, maybe for the legacies. But NOT industry leading at all, as they promised.

Forgot to add, don't forget UPS and FedEx either. They too I do believe are higher on Lead Mechanic Premium pay rates. And yes they ARE in our very same industry. I don't care what your co. says or the unions (asso) they are the very same industry just as we had our dispatchers proved in med/arb and they rules in favor that they are to used and compared with.

Today at work someone mentioned that word is we will have the same payroll system that the IAM has. I believe it's the one they talked about getting paid in a different manner. No more Epays. I also heard that a new sick time policy of issuing a point system for calling in sick was in the new T/A. I know the flight attendants have this in their contract and it created a big problem for the commuters missing flights. We need to see this shiit and not wait until the association gets off their butt to show us. I think it's safe to say the devil is in the language. Hopefully guys will read the proposal and see what's really there. This whole thing stinks big time. Highlights or no highlights this ain't no ILC JCBA by a longshot.

Just one example of the many that will come to light. I am certain with very little doubt that the asso. purposely hid and kept the membership in the dark to hide the facts of what they were agreeing to with the company in order to get other things for the IAM side. I always have said wait for T/A day and the beans will get spilled, and the members NOT happy. Let us not forget "WHO" pushed for the gag order, it was in fact the asso., NOT the NMB as told, and NOT the company, but the co. did agree to it, so not to get the masses in an uproar and keep the metal flying on time etc...

 

[swamt]

Not sure why it’s not an option or choice for all of us which plan we want.

Same with medical.

This contract was supposed to bring us all together not kick the can down the road. The next contract will be the same crap all over again.

Not sure?
Oh that is very clear. Because the IAM was the ones in charge and they very much nego. a new contract that favors their side much so than the LAA side.
This is definitely a divisional CBA not a JCBA as I have seen so far, and not all the details are released as of yet, just wait, it gets worse.
The same crap will continue until you guys take control and get rid of this TWU/IAM abortion of representation--period.

 

[swamt]

Stop using common sense and logic.

Those concepts don't work at the 'New' AA........and "The Association"

Lucky for me I'll be done with this fustercluck before the next amendable date arrives.

Good Luck Kids!

Well good for you. I like hearing retirement announcements on your own terms. Good luck in retirement, and never look back...

 

[Kev3188]

That was a helluva huge topic today when brought up by a number of us employees to our local. We were told repeatedly that a dr note stating employee be out from date to a date supercedes but of course mgmt fails to adhere to it...needless to say it became sorta heated

If they want a note, they better be ready to pay for the Dr. visit.

It was a hypothetical question. Would the LUS folks rather have our 401plan or your newly negotiated hybrid plan? Not sure why it’s not an option or choice for all of us which plan we want.

Same with medical.

This contract was supposed to bring us all together not kick the can down the road. The next contract will be the same crap all over again.

^This^

 

[BeechDriver]

Medical is part of our compensation. I won't stand for being compensated less than IAM members in any agreement.

If this POS passes, the division it maintains between the IAM and TWU will just be another tool that the company will use to delay and drag out negotiations in the future.

The time for change is long overdue.

 

[AANOTOK]

Just wanted to throw out some info (if you have not seen it) from Charlie Brown's recent email. This is not the full email, just a couple comments.

"I know many of our TWU brothers and sisters are upset about not getting the IAM insurance. I can assure you coming from the executive team, everyone fought hard to get everyone under the IAM insurance. But the company wouldn't move in the end. And it came to a point that a decision had to be made to put it out for a vote, or to probably be put on ice for a very long time and hold out for something that many had already given up on.

The facts are, while the IAM side did keep their insurance, we did lose some things. For example, we lost our 100% coverage on our insurance. Our 90% can go away on the amenable date of the contract in five years.

Catering while we protected catering in clt & phl, we lost catering in DCA, BWI & PIT. We also lost some front office cargo work in some stations.

The TWU side as far as I know, lost nothing in this agreement. Again, you might not have got everything you wanted. But the fact is you didn't lose anything".

CB, just off the top of my head, I can tell you the TWU lost deicing in DFW which a huge number of employees getting those jobs and the OT that comes with it. I'm not sure how many other stations lost deicing or many other things the TWU lost, but I'm willing to bet when the details come out, maybe it won't be your interpretation but their will be other losses on the TWU side. While you mention the loss of your catering in some stations, you fail to mention you gained cargo in both
LAS and PHX.

Again, you took care of your members, but in doing so and agreeing to bring this back with the insurance disparity you and the whole negotiating committee both the TWU and IAM turned unionism and negotiations upside down. Real unions DO NOT agree to favor one particular member(s) over other member(s) by virtue of providing something both parties don't have access to.
This a complete sham and not unionism at all. The Association has done more to cause division than the company could ever do.

 

[V.O. Reason]

ILC went out the hangar door many months ago.

The economics of the company has changed over these past two years.
With the Max grounding and now the health crisis we can only expect to match our peers
Still however from what I see the overall package is more than the current contract
So from what I see it is an improvement

 

[swamt]

If they want a note, they better be ready to pay for the Dr. visit.



^This^

Agree with the Dr note. Many have made the co cough up the funds for the entire Dr's visit because they demanded or asked for a note, even had to pay for a second visit just to get the note.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Just wanted to throw out some info (if you have not seen it) from Charlie Brown's recent email. This is not the full email, just a couple comments.

"I know many of our TWU brothers and sisters are upset about not getting the IAM insurance. I can assure you coming from the executive team, everyone fought hard to get everyone under the IAM insurance. But the company wouldn't move in the end. And it came to a point that a decision had to be made to put it out for a vote, or to probably be put on ice for a very long time and hold out for something that many had already given up on.

The facts are, while the IAM side did keep their insurance, we did lose some things. For example, we lost our 100% coverage on our insurance. Our 90% can go away on the amenable date of the contract in five years.

Catering while we protected catering in clt & phl, we lost catering in DCA, BWI & PIT. We also lost some front office cargo work in some stations.

The TWU side as far as I know, lost nothing in this agreement. Again, you might not have got everything you wanted. But the fact is you didn't lose anything".

CB, just off the top of my head, I can tell you the TWU lost deicing in DFW which a huge number of employees getting those jobs and the OT that comes with it. I'm not sure how many other stations lost deicing or many other things the TWU lost, but I'm willing to bet when the details come out, maybe it won't be your interpretation but their will other losses on the TWU side. While you mention the loss of your catering in some stations, you fail to mention you gained cargo in both

Again, you took care of your members, but in doing so and agreeing to bring this back with the insurance disparity you and the whole negotiating committee both the TWU and IAM turned unionism and negotiations upside down. Real unions DO NOT agree to favor one particular member(s) over other member(s) by virtue of providing something both parties don't have access to.
This a complete sham and not unionism at all. The Association has done more to cause division than the company could ever do.

Ok I’m confused why is deicing so important at DFW, where it might happen on average 7 times a winter, please to say that’s a loss is at best a joke. and I doubt it will cost any jobs just those guys all on call because of a possible need making double time playing cards

 

[AANOTOK]

Ok I’m confused why is deicing so important at DFW, where it might happen on average 7 times a winter, please to say that’s a loss is at best a joke. and I doubt it will cost any jobs just those guys all on call because of a possible need making double time playing cards

That comment/question doesn't even deserve a dignified reply...move on joke(r)