AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[dfw gen]

Just want to clarify something in your post on the outsourcing. Pee.rez had a chance but chose to generalize because he couldn’t make a solid response with the facts.
The 35% outsourcing in the current scope is based on maintenance spend. What exactly goes into the spend column is a moving target and makes it impossible to determine or prove if the corporation ever went over the 35%. Add to that the ASS won’t agree to elevate the grievances to the international level so they stay bogged down at the local level. There are some filed but they are for the most part dead in the water because of the ASS’s stance on not elevating them.

The new scope is 50% of billable hours on airframe only. Let me repeat “airframe only”. They did agree to keep jt8, cfm-5, cfm-7, and one other engine type, cf6 I think it was in house. The jt8’s were on our MD80’s which were parked last September. The cf6 is gone this year so realistically we’re down to 2 engine types in the new scope. The other 5 engine types can be outsourced and not counted against billable hours. So we’re not really looking at 50% outsourcing it’s more like 65% to 75%.

but but but we will never loose money again, and this is a historic industry leading contract....

 

[swamt]

If there are any LAX guys on the forums have y'all heard anything about layoffs coming in September? A friend of mine in LA has heard that if the government gives AA bailout money it would hold off the RIF until September.

Read the Hill Letter below provided by BigTex. Even with the 29 billion assistance, IF this is still going on, layoffs could still come in Sept. I also read another article, fresh this morning that the airlines will guarantee no layoffs or furloughs for 5 months if they approve the 29 billion bail out or assistance.

B6 n SW are slashing flights... B6 only essential flights and WN 1000 cuts a day startin today from an online news i had briefly looked.


UA told Congress n Senate that without aid massive layoffs would start.

Yes robbed, we just chopped 1000 flights from schedule yesterday. Also chopped all international flights with the intentions to restart them in May at this point and time. Things are so fluid right now anything could change in a heartbeat.
Hopefully we will not have to endure any layoffs, rifs, or furloughs. By the statements made by the airlines if no assistance is approved there will be dramatic layoffs sooner than Sep. Prying we don't get to that at all.

Nope it isn't speculation and it's old news

The assistance or bail out will only postpone to Sep. unless things are looking way better at that time, and hopefully they will.
Instead of doom and gloom discussions can we all discus on what WE can do to better support our co's, our coworkers, and ourselves so we can all get thru this, remain whole and get back to very positive work environment ASAP. Godspeed to all of us...

 

[swamt]

Just want to clarify something in your post on the outsourcing. Pee.rez had a chance but chose to generalize because he couldn’t make a solid response with the facts.
The 35% outsourcing in the current scope is based on maintenance spend. What exactly goes into the spend column is a moving target and makes it impossible to determine or prove if the corporation ever went over the 35%. Add to that the ASS won’t agree to elevate the grievances to the international level so they stay bogged down at the local level. There are some filed but they are for the most part dead in the water because of the ASS’s stance on not elevating them.

The new scope is 50% of billable hours on airframe only. Let me repeat “airframe only”. They did agree to keep jt8, cfm-5, cfm-7, and one other engine type, cf6 I think it was in house. The jt8’s were on our MD80’s which were parked last September. The cf6 is gone this year so realistically we’re down to 2 engine types in the new scope. The other 5 engine types can be outsourced and not counted against billable hours. So we’re not really looking at 50% outsourcing it’s more like 65% to 75%.

That is correct. And that was my point exactly when I was asking him and explaining to others. The actual outsourcing will be more than the 50%. Either way it will be impossible to follow the %'s as far as watching the outsourcing breaching their limits and was derived this way as to be to hard to follow so that the membership could not easily see when they break the threshold. It all in smoke and mirrors. Also note how bad he is avoiding my questions to him. Speaks volumes that he knows it is NOT an ILC, period.

 

[AANOTOK]

I guess not enough takers...I wonder why!?!?

Deadline extended to March 30 for voluntary leave of absence and early out

The article is the same, no enhancements, nothing has changed for Fleet and Mechanics.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

the letter the 'coalition' sent to the govt. is incredible. promising no layoffs up to sept.1.

help us (pay and benefits for employees not needed for reduced operations) and we will help you (no layoffs up to sept.1, govt. unemployment stats not hit).

given that, why would anyone take a leave, unless one is worried about their health being at an airport and working in close proximity of others?

amazing times.

 

[robbedagain]

Good luck to all.

 

[dfw gen]

the letter the 'coalition' sent to the govt. is incredible. promising no layoffs up to sept.1.

help us (pay and benefits for employees not needed for reduced operations) and we will help you (no layoffs up to sept.1, govt. unemployment stats not hit).

given that, why would anyone take a leave, unless one is worried about their health being at an airport and working in close proximity of others?

amazing times.

We are all painfully aware their promises are not worth the paper they wrote them on

 

[CremaDiLimone]

We are all painfully aware their promises are not worth the paper they wrote them on

true, there would be trouble if the govt. said 'let's mediate' the grants and loans..since the mediator has powerful tools.

they are promising no layoffs, no buybacks, etc., to some very powerful people and entities...not the twu/iam/assoc.

hopefully, this happens very soon and not used for politics to stuff money for agendas not related to keeping vital industries afloat during this time.

 

[ALUS78]

This is not Russia........

Plus some of the stipulations have to have a time frame.They have to be able to conduct business and react to market conditions that unfortunately might require layoffs at some point

 

[ALUS78]

true, there would be trouble if the govt. said 'let's mediate' the grants and loans..since the mediator has powerful tools.

they are promising no layoffs, no buybacks, etc., to some very powerful people and entities...not the twu/iam/assoc.

hopefully, this happens very soon and not used for politics to stuff money for agendas not related to keeping vital industries afloat during this time.

Creme still voting "No" ????

 

[CremaDiLimone]

if i raised you and you went out, i don't have to show you my cards.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Just read a story that there may be a total shutdown of all airlines for period of time.
So if that happens all bets are off as to who survives this

 

[AANOTOK]

Just read a story that there may be a total shutdown of all airlines for period of time.
So if that happens all bets are off as to who survives this

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...BSqKlHNjLEZazIhosdQLRnWw6CWpwsKe2yqP8ZODFQEIw

 

[Kev3188]

Might be the best option, tbh. Shut down for 14-30 days, hit the reset button, and ramp back up to whatever the new normal looks like...

Flying around 2-3 ppl. can't be helping anything.

 

[swamt]

I guess not enough takers...I wonder why!?!?

Deadline extended to March 30 for voluntary leave of absence and early out

The article is the same, no enhancements, nothing has changed for Fleet and Mechanics.

Apparently SWA is offering some sort of partial pay for leave, but sure which employees at this point as stated in this article below:

"Southwest is also considering an emergency time-off program, where employees can take off a minimum of one month with partial pay, the airline told employees."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/southwest-cut-1-500-daily-002441498.html