AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[swamt]

Just read a story that there may be a total shutdown of all airlines for period of time.
So if that happens all bets are off as to who survives this

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...BSqKlHNjLEZazIhosdQLRnWw6CWpwsKe2yqP8ZODFQEIw

Not just shrugging it off here, but, I feel this was a move by the airlines to help get the finatial aid packages thru the senate quicker rather than later. More pressure for them to get it done now IMO. Should be approved today as we are now hearing. It worked.

 

[Buck]

Most articles and forums are leaving out the aircraft and its maintenance program.
Enough maintenance personnel will have to be kept on staff to meet the requirements
to keep the aircraft airworthy. Think about the 737 Max every 10 days a certain amount
of maintenance must be performed.

 

[V.O. Reason]

E190s 767 and 757 being parked tomorrow
This is a precursor to a total shutdown in April

 

[robbedagain]

Onemileatatime is reportedly claiming AA will stop most in-flight services under 2200 miles or 4.5 hrs. Meals wld be stopped as wld the buy on board meals

 

[1986Mekanic]

I think one mile at a time should actually be reporting that " AA will stop most flights".

 

[V.O. Reason]

Onemileatatime is reportedly claiming AA will stop most in-flight services under 2200 miles or 4.5 hrs. Meals wld be stopped as wld the buy on board meals

Makes perfect sense, less interaction with passengers

 

[robbedagain]

Makes perfect sense, less interaction with passengers

Agree there.

 

[dfw gen]

Onemileatatime is reportedly claiming AA will stop most in-flight services under 2200 miles or 4.5 hrs. Meals wld be stopped as wld the buy on board meals

This is a great opportunity for doug to become the low cost airline he always wanted

 

[dfw gen]

Agree there.

With both passengers?

 

[1AA]

This is a great opportunity for doug to become the low cost airline he always wanted

Become? You missed the bus on that one. He wasted no time on that one. We became the worlds largest LCC in a matter of months when he took over and started getting rid of all the AA. Parker is the king of airline bankruptcies.

 

[eolesen]

I don't normally comment in this thread... however...

Not just shrugging it off here, but, I feel this was a move by the airlines to help get the finatial aid packages thru the senate quicker rather than later. More pressure for them to get it done now IMO. Should be approved today as we are now hearing. It worked.

Make no mistake, when you're bleeding $50M per day, playing politics is probably the least of anyone's concerns. I'm not at all surprised by the comment about 757 and 767's being parked.

AA, DL and UA are all going to see serious shrinkage vs. 2019. International traffic isn't expected to return to the same levels, and that will mean parking airplanes regardless of the financial aid.

Without seeing final language and going only off what I've heard secondhand, airlines receiving grants won't be allowed to lay-off employees. The grants don't require the airlines to hire, however, and natural attrition is around 5-8% depending on the workgroup. I'll guess AA sees an average of 400-600 pilot retirements a year due to mandatory age limits (likely higher right now given the number of people hired in the 1985-1989 mega-growth boom), and that's not taking into consideration the early retirement package offered which will take out another 500 or so who were 62 or older. Mechanics are harder to predict because you don't get forced out by age.

 

[BigTex]

Let the voting begin!

 

[1AA]

Here is the direct link to BallotPoint.
Just enter your PIN to log in and vote.

https://ballotpoint.com/twuiamassoc/cgi-bin/dispatcher.pl?func=menu_LOGIN

 

[robbedagain]

With both passengers?

With both passengers?

Cutting service due to lack of passengers makes sense is what i agree with but i wonder how long before a complete shutdown occurs

 

[AANOTOK]

I don't normally comment in this thread... however...



Make no mistake, when you're bleeding $50M per day, playing politics is probably the least of anyone's concerns. I'm not at all surprised by the comment about 757 and 767's being parked.

AA, DL and UA are all going to see serious shrinkage vs. 2019. International traffic isn't expected to return to the same levels, and that will mean parking airplanes regardless of the financial aid.

Without seeing final language and going only off what I've heard secondhand, airlines receiving grants won't be allowed to lay-off employees. The grants don't require the airlines to hire, however, and natural attrition is around 5-8% depending on the workgroup. I'll guess AA sees an average of 400-600 pilot retirements a year due to mandatory age limits (likely higher right now given the number of people hired in the 1985-1989 mega-growth boom), and that's not taking into consideration the early retirement package offered which will take out another 500 or so who were 62 or older. Mechanics are harder to predict because you don't get forced out by age.

I don't know if it says anything about pay protection though and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if AA did indeed ask for paycuts somewhere down the road, especially if things do not begin to improve anytime soon. Just my opinion.