AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[1AA]

And there he goes swamt
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Some one has an obsession. Uhmmmmm?

 

[Rogallo]

And there he goes swamt
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Took him awhile.....

Oh the wisdom of his knowledge.......amazing

In your case may I suggest.....

 

[Rogallo]

SWAMT; I think you are wasting your time here, the AA mechanics in my estimation don't really care. Instead of an overwhelming flood of AMFA cards signed it still has been a struggle at some stations to get them to understand the importance of getting rid of this association. The IGM that is in this industry is a problem I believe the mechanics here at AA both LUS and LAA are just so fed up with the process and disgusted with the past representation of the TWU & IAM nothing less than a complete reboot will help. The station union reps brag how they ran unopposed, thinking that they are doing a great job. They even say if we replace the association they will be back in office. 170 guys here in MIA either did not get a pin# to vote or did not vote and we all know it passed by only a slim margin last time. Even at SWA you did not have overwhelming numbers voting either. No matter what negatives that are in this upcoming contract the $$$$ is all they see. "YES" I get we all work here for the $.

The Association is expecting a low turnout that is just what the AA mechanics will give them. AA is a union shop but, NOT really a Union environment.
Looks as though we are just getting back what we all had yrs ago. Keeping up with the industry keeps AA in the game so they can hire replacements as men/women depart.

You are correct that the Unions are after one thing and that is DUES, it has always been that way here at AA.

Don't get me wrong about the number of cards already signed, but if the AA mechanics on both sides really wanted a change we would of already had the numbers to file. Some time soon our signed cards will be audited by AMFA National. Many have told the Organizers that they will sign cards when this T/A is signed in, The Title 2 guys system wide still don't get it. The disparity between the groups still remains. This is something I believe the Association wants just to keep the Mechanics group infighting.

And I must keep reminding......

 

[avi]

Sign the cards people we need amfa...and maybe swamt will go away...probably not ...worth a try

 

[avi]

People must be signing...?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Sign the cards people we need amfa...and maybe swamt will go away...probably not ...worth a try

AVI; It's not that we need or want SWAMT to go away I was saying that what he does say here with his concern for us to move on from the TWU/IAM is falling on deaf ears, the AMFA Organizers here at AA have been saying this for so long now and the membership still continues to find ways to let the TWU exist here.
The lack of Unionism here at AA is such a baffling thing, yet the SCAMMING by union officers runs deep no matter who is in office. That is the reason a re-boot is what it's going to take to change the culture here.

 

[Buck]

In your case may I suggest.....

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The fact is that you do not have to "ignore" a person by your profile, just "ignore" them.

 

[1AA]

18 days to go until we vote on something we haven't seen yet.

 

[V.O. Reason]

It's getting to the point where some wish the negative would happen. It's astounding.

The flights are still full and load factors into April are in the 80% and 90% range. The lower fuel prices will help to offset lower revenues.

No furloughs. This issue would have to get exponentially worse before there's an involuntary impact to jobs.

Not sure where you see April bookings are good.
I’ve read they are way off. If there are some good bookings it’s mainly because we have dropped fares way low to put people in the seats.
That can’t continue for very long.
As long as the media keeps painting doom and gloom and telling people to stay off planes which I read today this is going to harm the bottom line big time.
I for one am ready for a vote to get this thing in place and hope AA doesn’t turn right around a start the lay-off process

 

[Rogallo]

The fact is that you do not have to "ignore" a person by your profile, just "ignore" them.

Scrolling on by works well too!

 

[Rogallo]

18 days to go until we vote on something we haven't seen yet.

You sound as giddy as me

 

[Rogallo]

Not sure where you see April bookings are good.
I’ve read they are way off. If there are some good bookings it’s mainly because we have dropped fares way low to put people in the seats.
That can’t continue for very long.
As long as the media keeps painting doom and gloom and telling people to stay off planes which I read today this is going to harm the bottom line big time.
I for one am ready for a vote to get this thing in place and hope AA doesn’t turn right around a start the lay-off process

I'm non reving for spring break next week.

Only 10 seats open last week. 18 today.

 

[1AA]

Not sure where you see April bookings are good.
I’ve read they are way off. If there are some good bookings it’s mainly because we have dropped fares way low to put people in the seats.
That can’t continue for very long.
As long as the media keeps painting doom and gloom and telling people to stay off planes which I read today this is going to harm the bottom line big time.
I for one am ready for a vote to get this thing in place and hope AA doesn’t turn right around a start the lay-off process

Being ready to vote on what?
You mentioned layoffs? The devil is in the language. I suggest everyone read the contract thoroughly which I know is asking too much. I came across an article about the airlines survival if this virus thing continues long term. It mentioned that if bookings stay down and airlines are forced to burn through their cash the airlines with the most cash on hand will survive the best. Guess which airline has the least cash on hand?
It's not Delta or United. AA management was criticized for the mishandling of its finances. High debt load and they do a buy back stock purchase. Now who was that person who said airlines will never lose money again?

 

[avi]

just keep signing up for amfa.....

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Not sure where you see April bookings are good.
I’ve read they are way off. If there are some good bookings it’s mainly because we have dropped fares way low to put people in the seats.
That can’t continue for very long.
As long as the media keeps painting doom and gloom and telling people to stay off planes which I read today this is going to harm the bottom line big time.
I for one am ready for a vote to get this thing in place and hope AA doesn’t turn right around a start the lay-off process

VOR; Not sure if you are M&R or Fleet? Without the T/A being signed I will ASSUME here if any reduction of force is done it would be done in the old contract way. Which we all know has been done different the last few times. They (AA) would undue the new hires and the new top out program that was agreed too, when we got our $9.13 wage increase. It would in my opinion make no business sense. Our stock is at $15.96, pilots contract amendable, F/A's as well, reduced flights due to virus, 737Max aircraft still out of service, and a disgruntled work force. They (AA) would have to delay the seniority list integration, and conduct layoffs by two different unions. Making a rash decision to layoff not good for business.

You maybe ready to vote as well as many others here, putting out anything that would be construed as layoffs will not help since you want AA to hire so that you will have better vacation and days off advantage. aka cushion.