AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[toroshark]

yes they do. how are the class 2 stations going to get the information they need to make an informed decision? will we be getting a visit from the negotiating committee? Gary Peterson? i doubt we will get any information first hand. where are we going to vote? who is going to run the vote at the small stations? maybe we should call the sito to see how he wants it to go?

 

[toroshark]

It is apparent that the Association is now engaged in gerrymandering and voter suppression in order to obtain a desired outcome. Doesn't the AFL-CIO generally support the Democratic party, which is supposed to be fighting the very same issues. 🙁

 

[NYer]

Hate to say it but I think the delay on seeing the TA is the company is trying to modify it and is going to blame this BS health crisis
If we don’t see anything by tomorrow you can bet some kinds BS is going on

Boy. They really have you believing the airline is the Boogeyman. This union can do almost anything to you and you'll sit there and rationalize it's someone else.

 

[NYer]

The Ass is laying the groundwork to blame management for the not honoring our agreement. A vote will be taken and it will be for show...

Giving them a pass, eh.

We've been held in the dark for 3 years with even the Local Presidents, not being in the loop. Somehow at this last step, they're doing it again, but we've been trained to blame the airline for everything.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

your opinion means nothing to me because you are a very unhappy individual and i quit reading your crap on the second line so keep posting your bs so at least i do not have to read the bs. i have known miserable people in my life but no one even compares to you. do not go away mad just go away. thank you

What makes you think I am so unhappy just because I believe jobs should be delegated by who is the best fit to accomplish the work (taking into account expertise, experience, and efficiency The three E's) instead of some arbitrary occupational date?

If you stopped reading what I had to say on the second line then what right do you have to respond? My opinion means nothing to you? Fine. Your response means nothing to me because you didn't read what I had to say.

I am not going anywhere. If you don't like it YOU can leave.

It is incomprehensible to you why I don't support the seniority system. It is just as incomprehensible to me to have a system where your hire date is more important than leveraging what you have to contribute to the team.

I also find it incomprehensible how someone can feel so entitled over an arbitrary occupational date they feel they should be able to work a shift that fits their wants instead of what works best to meet the needs of the operation.

I'm not unhappy or hateful but I do call out BS when I see it, and delegating jobs by seniority instead of the three E's is BS.

In the real world you don't have an apprentice with 6 months experience working complex motor controls just because he happens to have less seniority than a journeyman who doesn't want to do it.

Where I work (computer networking) you don't send in someone with 1 year experience to work on a complex design, you send in someone who is experienced and actually knows what the hell they are doing. Otherwise you knock services down. You don't send in the new guy just because your senior people don't want to do it.

If you were a passenger on a jet maintained by people in a third word country (no FAA) would you rather the most qualified person work on the jet or the one who got stuck with the job because he had less seniority?

Delegating jobs by seniority is stupid and should have been done away with long ago.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

It is apparent that the Association is now engaged in gerrymandering and voter suppression in order to obtain a desired outcome. Doesn't the AFL-CIO generally support the Democratic party, which is supposed to be fighting the very same issues. 🙁

Are you just now realizing that the Democrats have been stabbing the working man in the back?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Hate to say it but I think the delay on seeing the TA is the company is trying to modify it and is going to blame this BS health crisis
If we don’t see anything by tomorrow you can bet some kinds BS is going on

Boy. They really have you believing the airline is the Boogeyman. This union can do almost anything to you and you'll sit there and rationalize it's someone else.

I happen to agree with V.O. Reason. Do you really think it is beyond the company to leverage the 737 MAX, the Coronavirus, and the drop in the stock market to modify the TA?

Remember when they asked for concessions to avoid bankruptcy then filed anyway?

Remember when they tried to dump pensions on the PBGC?

I don't put ANYTHING past management when it comes to cost cutting efforts.

That being said I don't think you should accept the TA. Sounds like they are setting it up to be concessionary. How many damn times are you going to let the company chip away at the block?

You need to DEMAND more vacation. You need to DEMAND a higher 401K match. You need to DEMAND reasonably priced insurance. Those things are important. Don't let the company put one over on you regarding those items just to get a raise. What good does it do to get a raise if your insurance cost just goes up and up and up and up?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You sir have no clue. Yes, I'm entitled....

i don't give a flying f#ck that you're upset that i feel entitled to a specialized shift.

 

[NYer]

I happen to agree with V.O. Reason. Do you really think it is beyond the company to leverage the 737 MAX, the Coronavirus, and the drop in the stock market to modify the TA?

The Max is a year old. The stock price has been falling for awhile and the virus is temporary.

They agreed to the AIP with most of that already in place. So no, I don't think they back away.

I can, however, see the Association agreeing to modify implementation dates.

 

[AANOTOK]

Giving them a pass, eh.

We've been held in the dark for 3 years with even the Local Presidents, not being in the loop. Somehow at this last step, they're doing it again, but we've been trained to blame the airline for everything.

To prevent a "young Sheldon" reply from you NYer, let me just say you interpreted that comment completely wrong. I have never nor will I ever give the Ass a pass. They have been and continue to be the root of the problem...I'll leave it a that.

 

[NYer]

Remember when they asked for concessions to avoid bankruptcy then filed anyway?

We avoided the BK in 2003. After that every major airline, except SWA, filed for bankruptcy. Those filings allowed them to lower their costs even more than we did in 2003.

The cost advantages from 2003 were long gone by 2011, only 1 profitable year in that span.

 

[NYer]

To prevent a "young Sheldon" reply from you NYer, let me just say you interpreted that comment completely wrong. I have never nor will I ever give the Ass a pass. They have been and continue to be the root of the problem...I'll leave it a that.

Fair enough

 

[V.O. Reason]

Boy. They really have you believing the airline is the Boogeyman. This union can do almost anything to you and you'll sit there and rationalize it's someone else.

No I don’t trust either the union or the company.
With that said the company is under pressure to reduce cost thanks to this health scare.
And we would not even be in this position had this agreement had not been delayed for so long.
So the union is the one costing us yet again for dragging their feet .
I do believe something is up and that temporary furloughs are coming.
Guess we will see next week, maybe sense they keep pushing this back. It’s beyond ridiculous

 

[1AA]

Stop for a moment and think if no AIP was announced in January.
We would still be negotiating a JCBA article by article. Isn't that what we are still doing today?
The difference is by announcing an AIP it redirected our impatience and anger to reprieve and closure. Too bad it was all a ploy to buy some time to keep us quiet. Oh yea we are almost finished. That's what they said in the weekly Friday updates for the last two years.
Now they are trying to finish up the language, review it by legal, print and distribute it electronic and hard copies, then explain to everyone across the system to all groups what the T/A is about, take questions and give answers, set up voting locations for stations outside of Tulsa and DFW. All in less than 3 weeks.
Ask yourself if all this can happen by March 26th knowing how the association has been dragging out everything in negotiations???????

 

[AANOTOK]

March 7, 2020
Association Concluding JCBA Review
This week, TWU-IAM Association representatives continued the process of reviewing tentatively agreed to Joint Contract language. Late Friday evening, the Executive Committee finalized the remaining documents necessary to put the contracts together for membership review, before ballots are cast.
The work that Association representatives have been engaged in during the last four weeks has been arduous and time consuming but vitally important. We must ensure that every word in these agreements is correct and that nothing has been overlooked, so TWU-IAM members receive documents to review and vote on that reflect the contract that was made by both parties. We will not sacrifice thoroughness for any reason, and we appreciate the patience and support of the entire Association membership during this process.
Over this weekend, our plan is to review the final documents and to authorize the airline to prepare the contracts for printing and distribution. Next week, the Association negotiating committees will be meeting with TWU-IAM representatives on Monday and Tuesday to review the content of the tentative Agreements. The critical agreement covering implementation of some terms of the Agreements remains to be finalized. Once done, the contracts will be complete.
We anticipate the T/A’s will be released online, Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning, after completing the review of the agreements with TWU-IAM representatives.
Again, we appreciate your patience and support as we bring this process to conclusion.